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Wake Football Week 1 - Clemson discussion

DeaconCav06 said:
CB is the biggest question mark and potential greatest liability.

Lots of talent to step up at WR.
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I hope so. The WR depth chart is one guy who looked great in limited action, one guy who didn’t show in limited snaps last year, and a bunch of guys who haven’t even gotten the typical Wake preseason hype.
 
Rubbing the Rock is a little biased. Predicting Clemson “scores at will” and cruises to a 63-10 victory.

What the fuck is wrong with our team that we cannot stay within FIVE touchdowns of Clemson?

Come on Deacs...let’s GO.
 
Biased? They have us scoring a TD. I don’t know if I can go that far.
 
Based on the last two years, it’s hard to call that prediction overly biased in favor of CU.

One interesting thing I’ve noticed since moving back to Hilton Head is how many more tiger paws I see. Growing up here, almost no one cared about Clemson in this part of the state and very few cared about USC. The home teams of transplants were a lot more prevalent. Now, if paraphernalia is any indication, there are probably 20 times more Clemson fans than there used to be.

It’s amazing what a little winning will do.
 
WFU03 said:
Based on the last two years, it’s hard to call that prediction overly biased in favor of CU.

One interesting thing I’ve noticed since moving back to Hilton Head is how many more tiger paws I see. Growing up here, almost no one cared about Clemson in this part of the state and very few cared about USC. The home teams of transplants were a lot more prevalent. Now, if paraphernalia is any indication, there are probably 20 times more Clemson fans than there used to be.

It’s amazing what a little winning will do.
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Clemson has always had a good loyal fan base, but they picked up tons of bandwagon fans in the last 6 years or so.
 
ironwill24 said:
It def felt evenly split between usc and Clemson 15 years ago. Now in sc, Clemson is definitely the dominant fan base
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Do you think that's more from SC losing fans or kids growing up to be Clemson fans rather than SC fans?
 
EatLeadCommie said:
"Are you not entertained?" - Maximus in Gladiator

I want to be entertained. That's what sports is-- entertainment. If my favorite bands decided to all go overtly political with every show and every song, I would not be entertained and they would cease to become my favorite bands. I wouldn't care what the cause was, unless maybe it was beer and titties. But the last thing I want when watching sports is to be lectured by a bunch of nincompoops about "issues". With rare exception, their prowess is in athletics, not deep thinking. It's bad enough listening to people like you or me talk about it in here. But if the NFL wants to do its about-face from Kaep and get on board, as well as the NBA and MLB, fine. I won't watch because I'm no longer entertained (and who the fuck wants to see the Lakers win another title anyway?). I'm not alone in that sentiment. It will be admittedly tougher for me to follow through on my college sports, but I can limit my game watching at least. If DM were still coach, it would be easy for hoops. It's like Howard Stern used to say-- if you don't want to listen to me, then turn the dial.

I would argue that now (due to the pandemic and people going nuts in their homes), certainly more than when Kaep was doing his thing, is a time to use sports to bring people together and not further use it as a wedge. But if you want to bring attention to certain issues, athletes who get paid zillions of dollars certainly have the resources to do so. Some have put their money where their mouth is, and kudos to them.

There are plenty of people out there who are down with people expressing their opinions and who don't think the game is the proper forum for doing so. And yeah, there are also raging racists and people (who are not racist) being needlessly adversarial by stating the obvious "all lives matter." Of course all lives matter, and of course black lives matter. Those aren't opposing concepts. If you're just barking out all lives matter as a reflex, you aren't being helpful.

They care about those times that they or their family were hassled by cops. They care about their friend serving 5-10 for dealing weed. They're pissed about being eyeballed every time they walk into a Kwik E Mart. All legit, personal issues which come out as, "Our lives matter."

But do you also think it's racist to take pause at some of BLM's earlier anti-Semitic positions which have miraculously been scrubbed from websites? To take issue with some ridiculous anti-police positions? To not forget, although it is perhaps unfair to the larger movement, that BLM advocate who murdered all those cops in Dallas? Is it not possible to say that yes, black lives matter, but to not support BLM as a political organization? To take issue with the free advertising that BLM gets from all this, which in turn benefits a certain political party?

The issue of race is far, far, far more complicated in this country (and others) than any political party or football team is going to go. Neither, you nor I nor BLM has anything close to a solution. Race transcends into areas of culture and class, and stepping into those areas is just as touchy and controversial as limiting the debate to race. Too much soul searching on all sides of the issue is needed, and probably not many real solutions to be had other than the passage of time, which doesn't fit in really well as a viable option in these times of memes, short attention spans, and an increasingly dumbed down society.
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Yet another person who feels the need to announce his departure. 👎👋
 
Paul Hogan said:
I agree. We're a lot weaker at WR and it's hard to believe our linebackers and secondary will have improved with the losses of Strnad and Bassey.
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We lost Strnad so early last year that Williams and others got experience at OLB and did pretty well.
 
deacon14 said:
Who are the three new OL? Nash, Tom, Maginn, and Nya have all been in the program 4 or 5 years and have played a good amount of football at Wake.
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Tom has not played left tackle at the college level in a game yet. He is replacing a guy who had the most starts at O-line ever for Wake. Maginn and Nya shared a spot last season. It will be interesting to see how one does moving to the other side of center. The staff had brought in a grad transfer, so presumably they weren't totally sold on the two guards. Juergens is a new voice, a new set of eyes and a different guy making the line calls at center.

I'd be a lot happier if the O-line guys weren't having their first live action in this configuration against Clemson.
 
Honestly, I'm expecting a pedestrian offense designed to keep Hartman standing and not show too much before playing State next week.
 
PhDeac said:
Honestly, I'm expecting a pedestrian offense designed to keep Hartman standing and not show too much before playing State next week.
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given our slow mesh with the QB and RB walking together, pedestrian offense is a good call.;)
 
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I totally agree with this post. Thanks for having the guts to say it. I may be wrong about this, but I think the majority of people who are silent are in this camp.

EatLeadCommie said:
"Are you not entertained?" - Maximus in Gladiator

I want to be entertained. That's what sports is-- entertainment. If my favorite bands decided to all go overtly political with every show and every song, I would not be entertained and they would cease to become my favorite bands. I wouldn't care what the cause was, unless maybe it was beer and titties. But the last thing I want when watching sports is to be lectured by a bunch of nincompoops about "issues". With rare exception, their prowess is in athletics, not deep thinking. It's bad enough listening to people like you or me talk about it in here. But if the NFL wants to do its about-face from Kaep and get on board, as well as the NBA and MLB, fine. I won't watch because I'm no longer entertained (and who the fuck wants to see the Lakers win another title anyway?). I'm not alone in that sentiment. It will be admittedly tougher for me to follow through on my college sports, but I can limit my game watching at least. If DM were still coach, it would be easy for hoops. It's like Howard Stern used to say-- if you don't want to listen to me, then turn the dial.

I would argue that now (due to the pandemic and people going nuts in their homes), certainly more than when Kaep was doing his thing, is a time to use sports to bring people together and not further use it as a wedge. But if you want to bring attention to certain issues, athletes who get paid zillions of dollars certainly have the resources to do so. Some have put their money where their mouth is, and kudos to them.

There are plenty of people out there who are down with people expressing their opinions and who don't think the game is the proper forum for doing so. And yeah, there are also raging racists and people (who are not racist) being needlessly adversarial by stating the obvious "all lives matter." Of course all lives matter, and of course black lives matter. Those aren't opposing concepts. If you're just barking out all lives matter as a reflex, you aren't being helpful.

They care about those times that they or their family were hassled by cops. They care about their friend serving 5-10 for dealing weed. They're pissed about being eyeballed every time they walk into a Kwik E Mart. All legit, personal issues which come out as, "Our lives matter."

But do you also think it's racist to take pause at some of BLM's earlier anti-Semitic positions which have miraculously been scrubbed from websites? To take issue with some ridiculous anti-police positions? To not forget, although it is perhaps unfair to the larger movement, that BLM advocate who murdered all those cops in Dallas? Is it not possible to say that yes, black lives matter, but to not support BLM as a political organization? To take issue with the free advertising that BLM gets from all this, which in turn benefits a certain political party?

The issue of race is far, far, far more complicated in this country (and others) than any political party or football team is going to go. Neither, you nor I nor BLM has anything close to a solution. Race transcends into areas of culture and class, and stepping into those areas is just as touchy and controversial as limiting the debate to race. Too much soul searching on all sides of the issue is needed, and probably not many real solutions to be had other than the passage of time, which doesn't fit in really well as a viable option in these times of memes, short attention spans, and an increasingly dumbed down society.
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Sounds like you guys just want these mostly black athletes dance for your entertainment without thinking about or engaging with their experiences as actual people in the world.
 
BeachBumDeac said:
Sounds like you guys just want these mostly black athletes dance for your entertainment without thinking about or engaging with their experiences as actual people in the world.
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It’s kind of like when you’re in grade school and you see your teacher at the store and the light bulb goes off that your teacher doesn’t live at school and has a life.
 
Makes me concerned about what DeacinAfrica is doing in Africa.

I wasn't going to continue this discussion so we could focus on the game but the "silent" people keep harping on it.

 
If silent people are supposed to weigh in, count me in the "athletes can share their opinions and I can still enjoy watching regardless of whether I agree with those opinions" camp.

This also ties into a much larger discussion within the arts about how much an artist's viewpoints should influence your enjoyment and understanding of the art versus how much the art should stand on its own. A Clemson game thread probably isn't the right place to have an in depth discussion though.
 
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