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Official Election Month Thread: COUP falls short, nothing to see here

Well see Trump knows that and is about to go scorched earth on this very close election to avoid any repercussions for his actions.
 
DeaconBrews said:
I've had two cups of coffee.

They're not gonna back a loser. This ain't gonna be a Nixon-like comeback unless you're counting on massive negligence by both parties.
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You think that the President's base are going to accept the results of the election and believe he lost when the total vote margin is going to be like 100,000 votes over 5 states? Fuck no. He will claim election fraud, and his supporters (otherwise known as the republican party) will lap it up.

People really don't seem to understand who this guy is and where we are as a country.
 
Gooner said:
Hard to do on-the-ground GOTV activities when you're the party that actually took COVID seriously. I'm not saying you're wrong, but it's probably only about 60/40 normal Democrat incompetence this time.
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I know lots of people who safely door knocked though. Like, put in hundreds of hours without getting COVID. Not only not door-knocking, not phone banking! The Dems intentionally said we don't need the Latin vote in 2020. The largest minority group in America.
 
Is turning out the vote really the problem? Voting obviously hit record numbers and Biden will have the highest number of votes cast for him of any candidate ever. It’s just that half of this country has bought into this lunacy and also turned out in record numbers.
 
DeaconSig said:
You think that the President's base are going to accept the results of the election and believe he lost when the total vote margin is going to be like 100,000 votes over 5 states? Fuck no. He will claim election fraud, and his supporters (otherwise known as the republican party) will lap it up.

People really don't seem to understand who this guy is and where we are as a country.
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Well, at least one of us doesn't.
 
TownieDeac said:
I know lots of people who safely door knocked though. Like, put in hundreds of hours without getting COVID. Not only not door-knocking, not phone banking! The Dems intentionally said we don't need the Latin vote in 2020. The largest minority group in America.
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I'm pretty sure there are Latinx voters in Kentucky and South Carolina.
 
The problem is the GOP echo chamber and Fox News.

The electorate is dumb.
 
Highland Deac said:
Agreed. We kept hearing about how Democrats were vastly outspending Republicans in a lot of these Senate races, but I've read that the bulk of the money went into ads and not traditional door-to-door canvasing and face-to-face interactions. I know some of that was due to the pandemic, but the Democrats also relied on ads and didn't do as much door-to-door in 2016 either, and the GOP managed to do grassroots efforts this year in spite of the pandemic. That's why I posted earlier that the Democrats need to build better (and smarter) party organizations in each state and nationally.
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Umm, wasn't pretty much all of it due to the pandemic? Its not like dems said "we don't need to go door-to-door." There was a calculated decision that it was safer and better not to go door-to-door due to COVID, and instead rely on phone banking and other means of contact. That appears to have been the wrong choice, but I have a hard time complaining about people who decided that the safety of campaign volunteers and the voting public was important.
 
DeaconSig said:
You think that the President's base are going to accept the results of the election and believe he lost when the total vote margin is going to be like 100,000 votes over 5 states? Fuck no. He will claim election fraud, and his supporters (otherwise known as the republican party) will lap it up.

People really don't seem to understand who this guy is and where we are as a country.
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Ok, let's check back on this in the fall of 2023 since we're going to agree to disagree. Let's see what 77 year old Donald Trump will do when he'll be out of the spotlight for 3 years.
 
The Lord Commander is tweeting now
 
DeaconSig said:
I mean, Biden -IS- a bad candidate. That being said- is this post a "Bernie would have won" post or something else?

I don't get the sense that if Biden loses, it will be because progressives didn't support him. That doesn't seem to be the early story from Florida, for example. But I am open to suggestions about how a more progressive candidate or message would have won FL/NC/Iowa/Texas and would have carried democrats across the finish line in the various senate and house races that they lost. That position doesn't ring true to me at the moment, however I am at a loss to provide a position that better explains what happened.
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no, it's a "the Democratic party is trash and your bland, centrist coalition candidates are trash too"

it's not enough to simply be not the worst, you have to actually be for something other than some vague call for a return to decency and so desperate to hit the exact middle on every issue
 
DeaconSig said:
Umm, wasn't pretty much all of it due to the pandemic? Its not like dems said "we don't need to go door-to-door." There was a calculated decision that it was safer and better not to go door-to-door due to COVID, and instead rely on phone banking and other means of contact. That appears to have been the wrong choice, but I have a hard time complaining about people who decided that the safety of campaign volunteers and the voting public was important.
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Ha except they made this decision on a case-by-case basis. They door knocked and insisted people show up en masse at the polls in the primary. They entirely pivoted when they thought they'd run up a lead in the general. It's just rake stepping. You can take COVID seriously and still run a presidential campaign. Of course it might have been made more difficult by running a dinosaur who was endangered when he left the house.
 
DeaconBrews said:
Ok, let's check back on this in the fall of 2023 since we're going to agree to disagree. Let's see what 77 year old Donald Trump will do when he'll be out of the spotlight for 3 years.
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dude's gonna cash in on some politico-entertainment media if he's not in debt/legal trouble
 
 
DeaconBrews said:
Ok, let's check back on this in the fall of 2023 since we're going to agree to disagree. Let's see what 77 year old Donald Trump will do when he'll be out of the spotlight for 3 years.
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Will do on checking back. As to the bold- lol. That guy ain't leaving the spotlight.
 
TownieDeac said:
Ha except they made this decision on a case-by-case basis. They door knocked and insisted people show up en masse at the polls in the primary. They entirely pivoted when they thought they'd run up a lead in the general. It's just rake stepping. You can take COVID seriously and still run a presidential campaign. Of course it might have been made more difficult by running a dinosaur who was endangered when he left the house.
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It's also kind of a slap in the face to all the working class people you need who have to go to work anyway. They face more danger of exposure at work. You can knock on a door and stand 8 feet away with a mask on and make your point.
 
Official Election Day Thread

DeaconSig said:
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The message is that florida Hispanics (and those in Tx, for that matter) were concerned about socialism.
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Republicans refer to all welfare programs and increasing socialized programs as “socialism”. Biden ran as far away from socialism as he conceivable could, and still lost Miami Cubans. You can’t concede needed welfare rhetoric to appease a sliver of the electorate that’s demonstratively turned Red.

Welfare programs, drug legalization, decarceration, and voting rights restoration are all popular ideas if you decouple them from the Democratic Party establishment. I’ve been pointing this out to you all for 5 years, the anti-elitist, populist message is FAR more popular with general voters than it is in the Democratic Primary. Populist candidates - racist or socialist, are FAR more popular outside the Democratic Primary. The Democratic Primary keeps producing establishment aligned nominees who are not winning the general. It’s a problem that has to be reconciled for Democrats to retake power.
 
I don’t know how any centrist can sit here and say what happened is a great result. We have tried the centrist candidate twice now and one lost and the other is going to barely win. Maybe what we think won’t and will work is completely wrong, most people said Trump had no shot in this election and look at how that went. So maybe try a strong progressive and let it fly.
 
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