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Non-Political Coronavirus Thread

Will the people spouting the 99.9% survival rate realize when more than 0.1% have actually died from COVID?
 
Tobacco Road said:
Will the people spouting the 99.9% survival rate realize when more than 0.1% have actually died from COVID?
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That’s when they break out the argument that hospitals are miscoding cases for greater reimbursement.
 
Tobacco Road said:
Will the people spouting the 99.9% survival rate realize when more than 0.1% have actually died from COVID?
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This is a great point. In fact, more than 0.1% of the US population has already died from COVID - 0.116% of the US population has died from COVID, so far.

And, as has been stated many times, this doesn't count the people that are left with lifelong illness. This include kidney failure requiring dialysis, amputations, strokes causing weakness and cognitive issues, respiratory disease, etc. In the past 3 weeks I have seen 4 people with Guillain-Barre syndrome from COVID, which results in some degree of paralysis.
 
BiffTannen said:
That’s when they break out the argument that hospitals are miscoding cases for greater reimbursement.
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I have been thinking about disinformation in regards to COVID and the election. Maybe public schools should include a program specifically on how to identify and avoid conspiracy theories. This could be done early on - maybe around 5th grade. If we implemented a Say No to Drugs Campaign and a Presidential Fitness test in all schools, surely we could do this, right? I guess the counter argument would be that those two programs I mentioned have not been very successful...
 
saw in my local paper this weekend that local nursing homes and the like are reporting that only 50-75% of staffers are accepting vaccination
 
'I'm not an anti-vaxxer, but...' US health workers' vaccine hesitancy raises alarm: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-covid-19-vaccine-hesitancy-us-health-workers

The rates of refusal – up to 40% of frontline workers in Los Angeles county, 60% of care home workers in Ohio – have prompted concern and in some cases, shaming. But the ultimate failure could be dismissing these numbers at a critical moment in the US vaccination campaign.

Dr Whitney Robinson, an epidemiologist at the University of North Carolina, told the Guardian if these early figures coming from healthcare workers are not addressed: “It could mean after all this work, after all this sacrifice, we could still be seeing outbreaks for years, not just 2021, maybe 2022, maybe 2023.”

Vaccine hesitancy is common – 29% of healthcare workers said they were vaccine-hesitant, according to a survey by the Kaiser Family Foundation published last month. And it’s not exclusive to the US – up to 40% of care workers in the UK might refuse to have the vaccine, the National Care Association said in mid-December.
 
Since there really isnt a solid plan, throw it in the pile of nobody planned for it. Wasted doses because people refuse to be vaccinate despite the vaccine ready to be administered as well as strict criteria in which the vaccine can be given.
 
There should be a standby list similar to flying, where if someone doesn't show up, there are extra doses, etc... you are next up. That, or just put a sign out that says vaccines available now for anyone that happens to be walking/driving by.
 
more challenging because it requires two shots, but I'd definitely put my name on a list for a vaccine at last-minute notice if it were going to go unused

don't know enough about the shelf life of these things to have a sense of how long the window is for use it or lose it
 
In our health system vaccines are by appointment only. That helps with the waste, because the vaccine hesitant are not making appointments. Not sure how other hospitals are doing it
 
Storage of the vaccine isn't a problem, keep that stuff frozen and its probably good for months/years. Moderna says 6 months frozen, 30 days refrigerated. The problem is that you remove it for dosing and once its room temperature you have 12 hours to administer it and it can't go back in the fridge/freezer. (Technically it probably could but efficacy may be decreased, not tested, etc... etc...)
 
Yeah some systems aren't doing set appointments more like suggestions, or everyone will want this we will go through it all but that doesn't happen to be the case. Additionally, in ITC's example the nursing homes they show up are ready to vaccinate everyone in the building. It makes sense logistically because it cuts down on the number of times someone has to go out because of the two dosing requirement. So they have enough doses for everyone but then like half the people say nah we good. Obviously the answer is lobbying but it also doesn't make sense why pharmacies are in charge of vaccinating nursing homes, where those facilities clearly have capable staff to do it. Planning would be you determined how many people at the facility would like to receive the vaccine, ship/deliver said amount of doses to the facility, the staff at the facility administer the vaccine.
 
JuiceCrewAllStar said:
'I'm not an anti-vaxxer, but...' US health workers' vaccine hesitancy raises alarm: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-covid-19-vaccine-hesitancy-us-health-workers

The rates of refusal – up to 40% of frontline workers in Los Angeles county, 60% of care home workers in Ohio – have prompted concern and in some cases, shaming. But the ultimate failure could be dismissing these numbers at a critical moment in the US vaccination campaign.

Dr Whitney Robinson, an epidemiologist at the University of North Carolina, told the Guardian if these early figures coming from healthcare workers are not addressed: “It could mean after all this work, after all this sacrifice, we could still be seeing outbreaks for years, not just 2021, maybe 2022, maybe 2023.”

Vaccine hesitancy is common – 29% of healthcare workers said they were vaccine-hesitant, according to a survey by the Kaiser Family Foundation published last month. And it’s not exclusive to the US – up to 40% of care workers in the UK might refuse to have the vaccine, the National Care Association said in mid-December.
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I really think it's messaging. They need people who were in the trials or have received the vaccine on TV saying, "look, I'm fucking normal." They need people who were in the trials or have received the vaccine being held up as an example.

It's why I posted ten pages back or so about my desire to walk around without a mask -- at that point, I was more worried about people not getting vaccinated than I was people not wearing a mask. I am still in that boat.

I feel like some kind of fucking vegan/crossfit monster hybrid, because literally everyone that I meet, I tell. I want it to be normal. I want people to eliminate the unknown of "I don't know anyone who has been vaccinated." Human psychology is real - if we haven't observed something, we tend to disregard it. Fuck, look at the number of people who still don't think coronovirus is real. Vaccines are going to have that same struggle if we don't improve the messaging.
 
BeachBumDeac said:
In our health system vaccines are by appointment only. That helps with the waste, because the vaccine hesitant are not making appointments. Not sure how other hospitals are doing it
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We have both appointments and walk in options. The large majority of our first shots went to physicians, even though other frontline workers were eligible and outnumber physicians. Physicians were clamoring for it right when it arrived on site. Now that the CMAs, respiratory therapists, etc have seen all the physicians receive their vaccine, they are now signing up for their shots.
 
ImTheCaptain said:
saw in my local paper this weekend that local nursing homes and the like are reporting that only 50-75% of staffers are accepting vaccination
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I don't know the demographics of your area, but a large number of NH employees have limited education and come from minority groups - factors that historically have led to a lower participation rate for vaccinations.
 
yeah, agree with knight on messaging, but I think part of that goes to 71's point that the US government has an atrocious history around medical experimentation and minority communities that has built up mistrust that can't be undone by a commercial

part of the messaging needs to be acknowledgement of the government's role in the mistrust and to reach out to trusted leaders in those spaces

may already be happening, I don't know, but I don't see much of it going on
 
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