06deacon
The Pumpfaker
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No, I'm saying that Rafi's position is going to be inconsistent with my desire for unlimited magazine capacity.
Here's where I'm at generally - I think most of the lib-lefts on this board (it's basically just me that's lib-right in this thread), are worried about (1) [white] kids getting shot by other kids, and (2) gun violence much more generally. I question their resolve on (2), because I don't see them going to Chicago on the reg, or flipping out everytime two gang members kill each other.
Please, keep in mind that I defend felons in possession of a firearm every day. Gang violence isn't going to abate because we eliminate guns. We already 100% ban the possession (not the use; the mere possession) of a gun by (A) people who smoke marijuana [ever gang member ever], or (B) are under a DVPO (domestic violence stuffs). We do this now. Right now. A lot.
As to point (1), kids are going to do stupid things. We all know that. Kids certainly have inappropriate access to firearms. That's not a debatable point. "Banning" guns from schools, or otherwise legislating some form of gun "control" isn't going to stop kids from doing stupid things like shooting up a school.
So, I think as someone pointed out earlier (creamy?), it's a sociology issue. We could start by removing the incentives for shooting up a school (eliminate media-induced fame), and establish a stronger culture of "work out your aggressive differences in a different way.
For what it's worth, I think School zero tolerance policies toward fighting have increased gun violence. To an undeveloped teenage mind, if they are going to get suspended/expelled for a big fight, they might as well make it worth it. I'm not saying all kids think like this, but I'd be very interested in hearing interviews of one-off shootings like the one at Mt. Tabor.
I would really like to have the answer to the question, "if you were allowed to get in a fist fight with the boy/man you shot without anything more than the threat of detention, would you have still shot him?" "What if there were no consequences for the fight?"
Your solution to having less school shootings is to encourage kids fighting. Cool.
Although this deserves pretty much no discussion, I have to ask - is it generally bullies (i.e. the ones who would start and win a fight) that do school shootings or the kids who are being bullied. If it’s the latter, how will your solution help?