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Vaccine or negative test requirement for bball games starting next week

Tr1987 said:
Not at all sure about making transmission more difficult. Certainly something that you see on the CDC website. Not sure about the science behind it. It’s fascinating to me how people will believe things that people in authority tell them even though experience is telling them something completely different. I think that if people go into that arena being fully vaccinated and believe that they are not going to get infected is delusional.
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Sneezing and coughing is one of the main mechanisms for the virus to spread. So vaccinated people having milder symptoms, ie sneezing and coughing less, means one of the primary mechanism is limited. #science!
 
I vote we send the anti-vax/“won’t show my papers” crowd back to the Scout/247 boards. Take a gander over there at this topic. Tr and 2&2 would fit right in.
 
deacdixieboy said:
I vote we send the anti-vax/“won’t show my papers” crowd back to the Scout/247 boards. Take a gander over there at this topic. Tr and 2&2 would fit right in.
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Maybe we could just give them a specialized symbol to identify them next to their avatar.


We all know what the end game is, you lubes.
 
It's a shame we're playing Duke* and not Carolina for the first game under the new restrictions. Think of all of the Carolina rednecks that would be turned away at the door.

*I originally misspelled this - it somehow came out Dyke (NTTAWWT)
 
Tr1987 said:
So how many days should you stay in isolation? 14? 10? 5? What is the number? The CDC seems to change their opinion every two weeks. That doesn’t seem like science to me.
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I've worked in medical research for nearly 20 years. I can't tell you how many thoughts and ideas have completely changed direction over the years. That is what is fascinating about science, different folks research different aspects of a disease/virus, and we confer and peer review to establish guidelines based upon the prevailing evidence.
 
There’s a long list of diseases that have been eradicated by vaccines because more than enough people got vaccines. That centuries long period of our history may be over now because people got in their head that requiring vaccines is bad for their political team.
 
Tr1987 said:
You might suffer symptoms much less than someone who is not vaccinated but you still can get it.
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Might is doing a lot of work in this sentence. You have to be an absolute fucking moron to not be vaccinated at this point if you are able to.
 
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I’m still surprised when I hear somewhat intelligent people confuse getting infected with Covid and vaccine efficacy. If you are vaccinated and get Covid, guess what…you probably won’t fucking die you idiots
 
Yeah the TR argument mirrors similar arguments with other conservatives I've had. They're all a variation on a theme. The reality is these are complex systems, humans are different, and pretty much everything related to vaccines and the Rona is an odds game. Incredibly well-researched, critical info is always phrased in "likely to, very likely, extremely rare" etc. And the bottom line is that if something is contradictory to the narrative someone wants to believe, it simply has to be absolute. Nothing else matters short of direct, personal experience with a devastating loss.

Group of dudes at a country club near me had one guy tell a "first hand" story of an employee at his office who was forced to get the jab and it killed him. No matter how many billions of people get the vaccine without issue, that story, bullshit though it likely is, gets told EVERY TIME someone mentions the vaccine. And that's just that one little group. I can't imagine how far it's radiated from there.

Shortening quarantine times is another great example. "The CDC is out of control and will use the next strain to continue pushing more and more extreme actions on the public." CDC follows the odds/science and reduces the quarantine times accordingly. "See, they changed their recommendations, they have no idea what they're doing."

There's no winning these arguments, because both things are technically true. There ARE exceptions. When pro-science folks talk in absolutes it just charges up the opposing side to look even harder for those exceptions - and there's no shortage of Facebook trash content to feed them. It doesn't matter that the science is right, that vaccines work, that history proves it, that the odds are absurdly pro-vaccine.

But hey, people will drive cross country because they're scared of flying and "feel like" driving is safer. Forget reason, that's not a path toward change for them. It's coercion. Mandates, game attendance test/vaccine requirements, employer requirements, restaurant/bar checks - those work. And when they don't, the outlier people do what Tr's doing. They stay home, are forced to withdraw, remove themselves from the equation. Win-win really.
 
He’s just a dude who doesn’t want to “show papers” to attend an event that requires a ticket with fine print listing the policies and procedures you agree to on the back. It’s a perfectly rational viewpoint.
 
Tr1987 said:
I am vaccinated but will just watch games on tv. I don’t care to have to prove to anybody that I am or am not. Everyone I know who has Covid-19 in the last month was vaccinated so the idea that the the vaccine prevents transmission is a joke. People are figuring this out.
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One of my former employees(unvaccinated of course) told me the same thing about the only people getting Covid are vaccinated. Two things, you must read the same Facebook pages that she does and secondly that would be the opposite of Cone Health census with 87% of patients in the ICU are unvaccinated.
 
Tr1987 said:
You’re missing the point amigo. It doesn’t matter. People with or without the vaccine can get it and transmit it. Why is this so hard to understand? We are seeing this all over the planet. Being vaccinated in that arena is not going to prevent you from getting the virus. You might suffer symptoms much less than someone who is not vaccinated but you still can get it.
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So you get it. Vaccination is good. Finally. Thanks.6
 
DCDeac said:
But hey, people will drive cross country because they're scared of flying and "feel like" driving is safer. Forget reason, that's not a path toward change for them.
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reason and logical argumentation usually aren't the best path for persuasion.
 
Shoutout BBD for getting a thread running about covid and WF sports, instead of it seeping into every other sports thread. Much better experience now.
 
PaddyWF said:
Shoutout BBD for getting a thread running about covid and WF sports, instead of it seeping into every other sports thread. Much better experience now.
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Bless your heart for thinking that will stop.
 
deacdixieboy said:
I vote we send the anti-vax/“won’t show my papers” crowd back to the Scout/247 boards. Take a gander over there at this topic. Tr and 2&2 would fit right in.
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I'm not anti-vax and will gladly show my vaxxed and boosted papers at any event. I am, however, anti-stupid, which is what most of the other "protocols" have been in most aspects of society during this fiasco.
 
PhDeac said:
There’s a long list of diseases that have been eradicated by vaccines because more than enough people got vaccines. That centuries long period of our history may be over now because people got in their head that they could leverage dishonest fear mongering for political power .
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