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CT - PhDeac CT #1 - Greatest Chat Thread of All Time? A Retrospective

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So is nostalgia good now because life has gotten worse?

Or childhood and the extended transition to adulthood have gotten easier?
 
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(Perhaps one closer to its origin in "suffering")

But I like the utility of the aristotle
 
my kneejerk reaction is that nostalgia was taken up primarily as a way to express one's relationship to commodities and dropped the painful connotation as a result

all of the longing none of the pain
 
a supposedly fun thing I'll never do again
 
PhDeac said:
Or childhood and the extended transition to adulthood have gotten easier?
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speaking of this we went out for breakfast over the weekend and I shit you not every kid between 2-10 in the place had a mobile screen in front of them as they waited for/ate food

was kind of stunning
 
PhDeac said:
So is nostalgia good now because life has gotten worse?

Or childhood and the extended transition to adulthood have gotten easier?
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Interesting question (damn, I did it again!)

A longing for an idealized past is not at all a new thing, and we regularly see in literature from antiquity to the enlightenment romanticized versions of this kind of nostalgia in common tropes like The Golden Age, Arcadia, Utopia.

But I don't think that "nostalgia is good now" just that we needed a word to describe a sentimental relationship to the past and since the nineteenth century (? Idk?) that word was useful enough. We already have in English melancholy and wistfulness and yearning and remorse and a million other words for an unhappy reflection on the past.

But idk!
 
TenaciousKory said:
speaking of this we went out for breakfast over the weekend and I shit you not every kid between 2-10 in the place had a mobile screen in front of them as they waited for/ate food

was kind of stunning
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We make ours color or deliberately sit outside or in the back room away from people so they can run around like psychos and get their energy out. As a childless patron hoping to enjoy a peaceful meal or the chance at conversation, I assure you, you should be thankful for all those parents that morning.
 
wakephan09 said:
Interesting question (damn, I did it again!)

A longing for an idealized past is not at all a new thing, and we regularly see in literature from antiquity to the enlightenment romanticized versions of this kind of nostalgia in common tropes like The Golden Age, Arcadia, Utopia.

But I don't think that "nostalgia is good now" just that we needed a word to describe a sentimental relationship to the past and since the nineteenth century (? Idk?) that word was useful enough. We already have in English melancholy and wistfulness and yearning and remorse and a million other words for an unhappy reflection on the past.

But idk!
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this is better than my kneejerk take I can get behind this
 
TenaciousKory said:
my kneejerk reaction is that nostalgia was taken up primarily as a way to express one's relationship to commodities and dropped the painful connotation as a result

all of the longing none of the pain
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Interesting. My first thought in response to this was to "memorabilia" but according to the OED that didn't apply to objects until the middle of the nineteenth century -- and specifically in an American context

My guess is that nostalgia's association with commodities happened around that time. Which is close to when it's meaning was changing..
 
TenaciousKory said:
my kneejerk reaction is that nostalgia was taken up primarily as a way to express one's relationship to commodities and dropped the painful connotation as a result

all of the longing none of the pain
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That’s a good take.

Yeah. Screens are ubiquitous for kids. But think of how good the memes will be.
 
mako1331 said:
We make ours color or deliberately sit outside or in the back room away from people so they can run around like psychos and get their energy out. As a childless patron hoping to enjoy a peaceful meal or the chance at conversation, I assure you, you should be thankful for all those parents that morning.
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I guess the surprise was that the SCREEN has basically defacto replaced a host of other transitional objects for kids

but yeah kids do be making noise
 
From the beginning nostalgia was associated with place and landscape so the turn to objects isn't surprising. I'm just skeptical about pointing to commoditization as the immediate cause. But it's complex and I think it's a good theory
 
I was underwhelmed by the halftime show. Probably cause I listen to that music all the time anyways, so there ain’t that much nostalgia for me. The mics were too soft. 50 year old fiddy is a bit depressing and as someone else said lose yourself doesn’t slap anymore.
 
When did Lose Yourself stop slapping?
 
Kinda surprised that 50 was the surprise guest and not Ice Cube or another West Coast rapper.
 
TenaciousKory said:
I guess the surprise was that the SCREEN has basically defacto replaced a host of other transitional objects for kids

but yeah kids do be making noise
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our kids are pretty used to the restaurant procedure but we use it as a weapon of last resort after the crayons and other activities lose their lustre.

some people just plunk their kids down with headphones and a tablet from the getgo which seems a little extreme
 
I admit I'm not as cool as everyone else, so explain to me why Kendrick was included since everyone else I remember was from the 90's/early 2000s. Didn't Kendrick come along a lot later?
 
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