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Wake Golf 2024 - Women’s ACC Tournament April 18-21; Men's ACCT April 19-22

Frosty said:
4.5 for D1 golf. I'm not a compliance expert, but I would guess that given that our men's golf program is well funded that all the starting players and then some are fully funded.

Do scholarships like the Arnold Palmer one count against that limit? I'm not sure.
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The "Arnold Palmer" (actually Buddy Worsham) scholarships are the fully funded men's golf scholsrships st Wake. And yes, they are the ones that count against the NCAA limit.

Buddy Worsham was killed in a car accident while a student at Wake. He is buried in Arlington.
 
How are individual all-Americans determined in NCAA golf? Specific results from this weekend? Or some voting panel?
 
Deacons finished tied for 19th in the tournament. They were ranked 17th coming in, so they played to their rank. The teams ranked first thru eight coming in are the final eight entering match play. You don't see that often.

The final hole on Saturday foreshadowed the back nine performance on Sunday. Those ten holes cost the team 21 strokes. Two late tee times didn't help.

People like to believe Wake golf is elite but it's not. The days of elite ended in 1979. The last national championship and the following season gave hope that the program had restored itself to elite, but the subsequent years have proved otherwise. Wake is consistently good (32 top 20 finishes) but elite finishes (ACC championship, NCAA regional championship, top five NCAA championship) are few and far between. The Deacs did more from 1968-79 than every other year combined. This was a rare elite season with a disappointing end. Kudos to the team for what they accomplished.
 
Couple schools of thought here - you can look at Wake's results as far as the program is concerned and we certainly don't look all that elite. But you'd also be hard-pressed to name 5 other schools who have been on the lips of more PGA Tour announcers over the past decade with Bill, Webb, Will, Cam, and a few glimpses from Reifers. Then there's the legacy of Arnie and a bunch of legit last-gen guys like Jay, Curtis, Andrade, Hoch, Wadkins, Mattiace, etc... That's obviously an elite resume of players - maybe UGA, Texas, and a couple other schools can compete in that world if you're considering wins, majors, longevity, tradition, etc.

I'd argue we build the stars and not the depth, and at Wake's size it's not exactly a mind-boggling "problem" to have if you that's what you call it. We won an ACC Title, a regional qualifier, and played to our seed missing match play which is a bummer, but not some epic choke job. GaTech lost to us in the ACC and snuck into the top 15 before getting destroyed today, not sniffing match play. It happens in golf, especially when your best player misses a round due to illness. Still a great year and the program overall is pretty damn strong.
 
DCDeac, I agree with you. The recent emergence of Will Zaratoris and Cameron Young added to the consistent quality of Webb Simpson has increased the exposure and prestige of Wake Forest golf the past few years. The strength of women's program has added a boost as well.

I looked up the history in lieu of a response.

Wake is one of 7 men's teams to have won 3 or more National championships. Houston has won 16 national championships and has finished second on four occasions. Oklahoma State has won 11 championships and finished second on 17 occasions. Stanford has 8 wins and 2 seconds. LSU has 5 wins and one second. North Texas has 4 wins and 3 seconds. Texas has 3 wins and 5 seconds. Wake Forest has 3 wins and 4 seconds.

Oklahoma State has been to the finals 6 times this century, the most recent a championship in 2018. Stanford has been to the finals 3 times this century, the most recent a championship in 2019. LSU won the championship in 2015. Texas has been runner up twice this century, the last coming in 2019. These schools remain elite as golfing powers.

Wake last appeared in the finals in 1997. Houston last appeared in the finals in 1985. North Texas last appeared in the finals in 1956 to end a string of seven final appearances in eight years. Many would consider the glory of these programs as faded. Nothing an appearance in the finals wouldn't restore.

Obviously, an appearance in the finals isn't required for a program to be considered strong. It is required to be mentioned in the NCAA.com history of men's golf. Sadly, the archives of Wake golf don't include the ACC team championships won prior to 1982. All ACC performers begin in 1975. ACC individual champions and NCAA individual champions are listed in entirety. The NCAA team championship participation is complete sans details prior to 1968. A compete listing of All Americans is included.
 
BlackjackMc said:
DCDeac, I agree with you. The recent emergence of Will Zaratoris and Cameron Young added to the consistent quality of Webb Simpson has increased the exposure and prestige of Wake Forest golf the past few years. The strength of women's program has added a boost as well.

I looked up the history in lieu of a response.

Wake is one of 7 men's teams to have won 3 or more National championships. Houston has won 16 national championships and has finished second on four occasions. Oklahoma State has won 11 championships and finished second on 17 occasions. Stanford has 8 wins and 2 seconds. LSU has 5 wins and one second. North Texas has 4 wins and 3 seconds. Texas has 3 wins and 5 seconds. Wake Forest has 3 wins and 4 seconds.

Oklahoma State has been to the finals 6 times this century, the most recent a championship in 2018. Stanford has been to the finals 3 times this century, the most recent a championship in 2019. LSU won the championship in 2015. Texas has been runner up twice this century, the last coming in 2019. These schools remain elite as golfing powers.

Wake last appeared in the finals in 1997. Houston last appeared in the finals in 1985. North Texas last appeared in the finals in 1956 to end a string of seven final appearances in eight years. Many would consider the glory of these programs as faded. Nothing an appearance in the finals wouldn't restore.

Obviously, an appearance in the finals isn't required for a program to be considered strong. It is required to be mentioned in the NCAA.com history of men's golf. Sadly, the archives of Wake golf don't include the ACC team championships won prior to 1982. All ACC performers begin in 1975. ACC individual champions and NCAA individual champions are listed in entirety. The NCAA team championship participation is complete sans details prior to 1968. A compete listing of All Americans is included.
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What do you mean by "appearing in the finals" during the stroke play era - 1965-2008?
 
NCAA.com history list is of champions and runner-up. Match play shows the score of the championship match up. Stroke play lists number of strokes of the top two teams. Since 2009 only the two finalists could secure a championship on the final day of competition. From 1939 to 2008 any team playing on the final day of championship competition could theoretically secure a championship. Wake's last championship in 1986 was won by an incredible come from behind performance on the final day of competition at Tanglewood.
 
BlackjackMc said:
NCAA.com history list is of champions and runner-up. Match play shows the score of the championship match up. Stroke play lists number of strokes of the top two teams. Since 2009 only the two finalists could secure a championship on the final day of competition. From 1939 to 2008 any team playing on the final day of championship competition could theoretically secure a championship. Wake's last championship in 1986 was won by an incredible come from behind performance on the final day of competition at Tanglewood.
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So your statement that the last time Wake "made the final" was 1997 was meaningless. Before 2009 the championship was straight stroke play so all of the teams in the tournament technically made the finals. Your review of the Wiki history of the tournament only shows winners and runners up from those years so all you could say is that was the last time we finished in the top 2.
 
Also, keep in mind that landscape when WF dominated college golf in the 1970s and 1980s, only a few programs seriously invested in golf. Now, there are dozens of programs with the goal to win a national championship, and they have invested in facilities and coaching staffs to the max. Even so, WF remains one of the iconic golf programs and still has the cred of producing PGA studs. Amazing how quickly people forget that WF won an ACC title and NCAA regional title this year, beating UNC in both tournaments. Suddenly, UNC qualifies for the Final 8 and people are questioning where the program is. Yes, it would've been great to finish in the Final 8, but after playing well in the post-season, WF threw in a stinker (with help for a stomach bug) in the NCAAT. The WF women who are as talented as any team in the nation outside of Stanford, also had a crappy NCAA Championship. It happens.
 
An ACC Championship and regional title amounts to our best set of results in years. We seem to have recruited very strong talent in recent years as well. I'd say the future looks bright.
 
Pilchard said:
Also, keep in mind that landscape when WF dominated college golf in the 1970s and 1980s, only a few programs seriously invested in golf. Now, there are dozens of programs with the goal to win a national championship, and they have invested in facilities and coaching staffs to the max. Even so, WF remains one of the iconic golf programs and still has the cred of producing PGA studs. Amazing how quickly people forget that WF won an ACC title and NCAA regional title this year, beating UNC in both tournaments. Suddenly, UNC qualifies for the Final 8 and people are questioning where the program is. Yes, it would've been great to finish in the Final 8, but after playing well in the post-season, WF threw in a stinker (with help from a stomach bug) in the NCAAT. The WF women who are as talented as any team in the nation outside of Stanford, also had a crappy NCAA Championship. It happens.
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This year was a solid success based on the ACC title alone. We overachieved and got undone at the end by a tough draw and our best player being sick.
 
So Gillam has used his Covid year and will leave. Assume Fitz is leaving after his 4th year in the program and after graduation this month. How does the lineup look for next year?
 
UNC upset in their match play opener to Pepperdine. We still pining over their vastly superior season to ours? Maybe they should have worn pants?
 
FWIW, Pepperdine is the defending national champs. They are one of the programs that has gone deep to build a golf power. The last 7 national champions have all been different schools:

2021: Pepperdine
2019: Stanford
2018: OK State
2017: OU
2016: Oregon
2015: LSU
2014: Bama

Since the NCAA instituted match play to determine champion in 2009, 14 different schools have made the team final. Parity.
 
Vandy has carved out a nice niche as a nationally relevant golf program.

Final tomorrow is ASU vs Texas. On paper this is one of the best finals ever as far as star potential. It could rival the 2012 Bama-Texas final for number of players who ultimately end up on the pga tour.
 
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