Ongoing Dem Debacle Thread: Commander will kill us all

[myDeaconmyhand]

The problem is there is no safe drug use when fentanyl is involved, that’s one of the biggest reasons overdose deaths have increased by like 10 times in the last 5 years. You essentially would need personalized medicine to prevent it not just a safe space.

A semantic argument over the word “safe” is beside the point - *safe* injection sites serve to bring a hidden problem into the open, where basic criminalization tactics do very little to discourage individual drug use, and mostly just serve to drive drug addicts into hiding and away from help.

 

[ConnorEl]

Of course fentanyl has made already hazardous addiction problems even more hazardous.

That shouldn’t suggest that harm reduction (not elimination) strategies are less important…perhaps the opposite.

I mean, in which environment do you think you’d have a better chance of surviving an unintended fentanyl overdose associated with injection drug addiction?

 

[myDeaconmyhand]

Ongoing Dem Debacle Thread: We finally tackle the Trolley Problem

When people argue that permissive liberal policies on drug use “encourage” drug use, what they never address is the alternative - how the law enforcement system handles drug addiction -
https://www.npr.org/2019/04/24/7163...le-as-americas-prime-centers-for-opioid-detox

“County Jails Struggle With A New Role As America's Prime Centers For Opioid Detox”


“…The National Sheriffs' Association estimates that at least half to two-thirds of today's jail population has a drug abuse or dependence problem. Some counties say the number is even higher…

“….We have to physically, medically detox about 40% of our population as they come in off the street," he says, "and probably 80 to 90% of our population inside has some type of drug or alcohol dependence.

We have not been able to get our hands around it because, quite honestly, society has not gotten its hand around either preventing [drug-addicted] people from coming into our institutions or supporting them once they get back outside," he says.

"The fact is you shouldn't have to come to jail to get good [treatment] programming," says Koutoujian. "You should be able to get that in your own community so you don't have to have your life disrupted by becoming incarcerated."”

 

[myDeaconmyhand]

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/spike...-jail-deaths-puts-spotlight/story?id=78447875

“Spike in drug, alcohol related jail deaths puts spotlight on fallout from 'war on drugs'
Experts call for rehabilitation instead of jail time for people with addiction.”


“Drug and alcohol-related jail deaths have skyrocketed in recent years, according to a recent report from the Bureau of Justice Statistics and experts say that spike goes hand-in-hand with the continued criminalization of substance abuse in the United States and lack of treatment.”

 

[ChrisL68]

San Francisco has always been a haven for homeless people and drug users for obvious reasons.

 

[Kory]

what are the obvious reasons go off king

 

[bym051d]

what are the obvious reasons go off king

Never gets too hot and never gets too cold, so not having a permanent shelter isn't as bad as other places.

 

[ChrisL68]

what are the obvious reasons go off king

It is the counterculture capital of the US. it has always attracted alot of homeless. Was that way when I was a kid staying in youth hostels and going out to see bands at the Warfield and Fillmore in the late 80s and it was that way well before that

 

[ChrisL68]

Never gets too hot and never gets too cold, so not having a permanent shelter isn't as bad as other places.

it gets pretty cold there actually.

 

[birdman]

I'm always amused and somewhat saddened when people respond to 2&2 with silly stuff like "facts" and attempt to engage in a good faith discussion.

To be fair, I am learning stuff with this "discussion," so at least there is that.

 

[PhDeac]

it gets pretty cold there actually.

Yeah. The first time I went was in August 2004 and I couldn’t believe how cold it was especially by the waterfront. I had to squeeze into a smaller woman friend’s heavy jacket because I didn’t bring enough layers.

 

[bym051d]

it gets pretty cold there actually.

Average highs don’t go above 70 and lows don’t go below 40. Pretty livable temperatures.

I had to wear a hoodie in July, but it’s not like being in Boston.

 

[forensicdeac]

The temps are very moderate. The wind near the waterfront is what I find to be the most uncomfortable. I live an hour or so north of the city and it is picture perfect weather temperature-wise 95% of the time.

 

[birdman]

The temps are very moderate. The wind near the waterfront is what I find to be the most uncomfortable. I live an hour or so north of the city and it is picture perfect weather temperature-wise 95% of the time.

I've spent time in San Francisco, my Wake Sophomore and Junior year room lives out there, the homeless drug addicts are not on the waterfront.

Also, I've been up to Point Reyes and its amazing.

 

[avalon]

Democrats’ Risky Bet: Aid G.O.P. Extremists in Spring, Hoping to Beat Them in Fall

But it is not clear that Democrats will be able to maintain control over what they may unleash, especially in a year when their party’s president is suffering through record low approval ratings and inflation has hit rates not seen in 40 years. A Suffolk University poll released on Wednesday found Mr. Shapiro running only 4 percentage points ahead of Mr. Mastriano in the state’s crucial governor’s race.

not loving the gambling here

 

[ImTheCaptain]

Democrats’ Risky Bet: Aid G.O.P. Extremists in Spring, Hoping to Beat Them in Fall



not loving the gambling here

 

[Kory]

sometimes it's not about how hard you vote but how hard you help legitimize people you're voting against

 

[forensicdeac]

I've spent time in San Francisco, my Wake Sophomore and Junior year room lives out there, the homeless drug addicts are not on the waterfront.

Also, I've been up to Point Reyes and its amazing.

Exactly. The places in the city that have better weather often have a higher homeless population. Northern California weather being so moderate lends itself to a population that lives outside. Add in cities that have a large budgets for social services and it makes perfect sense why homeless congregate here.

 

[PhDeac]

Ongoing Dem Debacle Thread: We finally tackle the Trolley Problem

Honestly, it speaks to the failure of many rural areas that people would rather live in San Francisco without shelter than live in more affordable places around the country.

In a better world, big cities could offer homeless people a bus ticket and start up funds and temporary housing in a rural area that needs people. But we live in a world where MAGAs would probably hunt them for sport.

 

[Biff Tannen]

What makes you think rural places need more homeless people and when did you become a sprawl advocate ?