WFU Hoops: '23-'24 Roster Construction Thread: +Miller, Sallis, Reid, & Canka

[For Deac's Sake]

Guys, friendly weekly reminder to consider the website’s “ignore” feature for NJDeac. I haven’t seen a word of what he’s posted in about six weeks and it’s a beautiful thing.

 

[birdman]

If you could show me their criteria that says that that would be great, thanks. Also, dolt, if they’re comparing Wake to Gonzaga that means they would have been comparing VCU to Gonzaga, and VCU vs Gonzaga is still a better argument than Wake vs Gonzaga. If his primary decision factor was getting a “closer to home waiver” which is the comment I was responding to, VCU is the choice.

Why would VCU be listed any where on his waiver request to go Wake Forest?

 

[DeacsATS]

No dog in this one, but I remember the NCAA docs on this explicitly mentioning being within 100 miles of “home” is a consideration for waivers, unless there isn’t a school with an opportunity to play in that radius. Feels like VCU satisfies that condition and Wake doesn’t.

But the NCAA is a weird animal. So who knows.

 

[NJDeac’22]

Why would VCU be listed any where on his waiver request to go the Wake Forest?

It's not, and that's not what I'm saying. A poster said he chose Wake because he was confident it would get him a "close to home" waiver. I said that if that was why he made the choice to come to Wake, he would have chosen VCU.

 

[BeachBumDeac]

If you could show me their criteria that says that that would be great, thanks. Also, dolt, if they’re comparing Wake to Gonzaga that means they would have been comparing VCU to Gonzaga, and VCU vs Gonzaga is still a better argument than Wake vs Gonzaga. If his primary decision factor was getting a “closer to home waiver” which is the comment I was responding to, VCU is the choice.

The NCAA is not going to say “well you could’ve committed to VCU and been even closer” what the fuck are you talking about

 

[CamLemons]

Listen man I don’t blame you. If my job depended on the info a coaching staff gave me I wouldn’t say things that make them look bad either. I too would probably pretend that RTQ is some legitimate company sponsoring our players to grow their “business”. That goes back to your favorite “think about who benefits by this information being out there” line. You wouldn’t benefit by writing a piece criticizing Forbes for chasing Bradford into the portal where he’ll have to sit out a year. But since my money doesn’t depend on the staff liking me, and I still have (much smaller) insights into the program, I’m free to say that’s what happened and that the conversation happened in the lead up to the Syracuse trip.

I also don’t blame Forbes, these are unsolvable problems created by the existence of mass transfers in the first place and there’d be plenty of angry fans if we missed the tourney due to lack of a quality 5 again. I just think gaslighting fans with carefully worded explanations as to what happens when certain kids leave is wrong.

Considering I don’t get my info i report from the staff… this is great!

But here’s a big thing that doesn’t make sense in your master plan: “hey we have 3 eligible guys that can play center on this team in Carr, Keller, and marsh. Why not deplete any semblance of ball handling to add a fourth guy that’s going to more than likely have multiple years of eligibility (as grad transfer bigs are the holy grail and don’t exist), and therefore clog up the big rotation even more.” It doesn’t even make logical sense.

And he’s think about who benefits from information being out there. I love covering Wake sports and I’m thankful for every single person that subscribes, reads, and listens to my work. That being said, my rent doesn’t depend on Wake Forest sports. I’ve pretty freely talked about what has happened with Wake until it infringes on a player because I respect their rights to privacy when they ask for it.

 

[birdman]

It's not, and that's not what I'm saying. A poster said he chose Wake because he was confident it would get him a "close to home" waiver. I said that if that was why he made the choice to come to Wake, he would have chosen VCU.

Hey Phan, this is a strawman...right?

 

[DeacsATS]

NCAA Update

“Distance from the student-athlete's support system. Staff should consider relief of the legislation when the student-athlete transfers to an institution within a 100-mile radius from the student-athlete's home or support system due to the injury or illness. Additionally, staff may consider other relevant factors regarding the distance from applicant institution to student-athlete's support system (e.g., student-athlete transferred to the closest institution that would provide an opportunity to participate).”

 

[NJDeac’22]

Considering I don’t get my info i report from the staff… this is great!

But here’s a big thing that doesn’t make sense in your master plan: “hey we have 3 eligible guys that can play center on this team in Carr, Keller, and marsh. Why not deplete any semblance of ball handling to add a fourth guy that’s going to more than likely have multiple years of eligibility (as grad transfer bigs are the holy grail and don’t exist), and therefore clog up the big rotation even more.” It doesn’t even make logical sense.

And he’s think about who benefits from information being out there. I love covering Wake sports and I’m thankful for every single person that subscribes, reads, and listens to my work. That being said, my rent doesn’t depend on Wake Forest sports. I’ve pretty freely talked about what has happened with Wake until it infringes on a player because I respect their rights to privacy when they ask for it.

It's not my plan at all. My plan would never involve chasing a kid to open a scholly.

But anyways, I don't think we'd be depleting ball handling. Jao isn't going to play unless he shows some crazy development this summer that thus far hasn't been seen as likely. Also, calling what he does ball handling is a big stretch. Turnover machine unfortunately. I think and hope Reid gets a waiver and Jao is on the roster and plays spot minutes and this is a pointless discussion, but I also think if you need to open a scholarship Jao's the one to go. Keller has shown enough simply by having a perimeter ability at that size to warrant keeping him here to develop. You wouldn't chase Marsh because in the event that Reid can't get a waiver and we can't get a solid replacement we'd have no 5 with experience. I think Jao would be the one that makes way because he's not likely to play important minutes and he's not somebody that is seen as a key developmental piece.

We can disagree on that theory for sure, but I'm assuming you also have heard that Jao is seen as a long way away since you are well plugged into the program.

 

[jamesda3]

If Damari can rebound from what has been an unimaginably tragic year, I’d say this team is primed to not only make the tourney but could do some serious damage. This should be by far the most athletic and dynamic team Forbes has fielded. We’re 8 deep without even talking about our incoming freshmen.

Must. Contain. The. Vibes.

On the other board an insider says Damari is way ahead of schedule

 

[NJDeac’22]

NCAA Update

“Distance from the student-athlete's support system. Staff should consider relief of the legislation when the student-athlete transfers to an institution within a 100-mile radius from the student-athlete's home or support system due to the injury or illness. Additionally, staff may consider other relevant factors regarding the distance from applicant institution to student-athlete's support system (e.g., student-athlete transferred to the closest institution that would provide an opportunity to participate).”

This is my shocked face. Guess I was right in saying Wake and VCU are different.

 

[myDeaconmyhand]

Lmao what? So Jake LaRavia was an irresponsible quitter?

Stop pivoting - you made an erroneous, unfounded assumption. You have no guarantee or inside information that Bobi’s return is contingent upon his draft status. Stop pretending to be an insider.

 

[CreamyGoodness]

I've never understood why people can't spell Damari.

 

[NJDeac’22]

On the other board an insider says Demari is way ahead of schedule

Damari's game is not overly dependent, or really dependent at all, on athleticism or explosiveness. If he can just get to the point where he is physically able to get up and down the court, he helps the team from day one.

 

[CamLemons]

It's not my plan at all. My plan would never involve chasing a kid to open a scholly.

But anyways, I don't think we'd be depleting ball handling. Jao isn't going to play unless he shows some crazy development this summer that thus far hasn't been seen as likely. Also, calling what he does ball handling is a big stretch. Turnover machine unfortunately. I think and hope Reid gets a waiver and Jao is on the roster and plays spot minutes and this is a pointless discussion, but I also think if you need to open a scholarship Jao's the one to go. Keller has shown enough simply by having a perimeter ability at that size to warrant keeping him here to develop. You wouldn't chase Marsh because in the event that Reid can't get a waiver and we can't get a solid replacement we'd have no 5 with experience. I think Jao would be the one that makes way because he's not likely to play important minutes and he's not somebody that is seen as a key developmental piece.

We can disagree on that theory for sure, but I'm assuming you also have heard that Jao is seen as a long way away since you are well plugged into the program.

I haven’t said at all what I’ve heard about Jao because that’s not relevant to the point you were making. Your point was they would cut Jao for a big. They wouldn’t cut him and they certainly wouldn’t cut him for something they’re already using 4 scholarships on

 

[NJDeac’22]

Stop pivoting - you made an erroneous, unfounded assumption. You have no guarantee or inside information that Bobi’s return is contingent upon his draft status. Stop pretending to be an insider.

I never said I knew that, I laid out why I think it, and I think most intelligent people would understand that for a kid who stayed to finish the school year and take finals before going to the combine, the choice is college or NBA. If his choice was that college wasn't for him and he wanted to play pro whether it's NBA or not, staying in Winston would have been against his interests.

 

[CamLemons]

This is my shocked face. Guess I was right in saying Wake and VCU are different.

Think about how illogical your statement is. There is not a single person who is willing to jeopardize their getting a waiver if going to another place meant they had a better chance.

 

[NJDeac’22]

I haven’t said at all what I’ve heard about Jao because that’s not relevant to the point you were making. Your point was they would cut Jao for a big. They wouldn’t cut him and they certainly wouldn’t cut him for something they’re already using 4 scholarships on

That's fine to disagree on and it doesn't mean either of us are wrong. I believe if anyone else is sent portaling, it's Jao. You can theorize differently. My guess would be if the staff could straight up trade Jao for a grad year big as an insurance policy for Reid, they'd do it right now.

 

[jamesda3]

I've never understood why people can't spell Damari.

I can spell eat a bag of dicks 😉

 

[NJDeac’22]

Think about how illogical your statement is. There is not a single person who is willing to jeopardize their getting a waiver if going to another place meant they had a better chance.

Agreed. But again, my point was that the poster was wrong to say Reid only chose Wake because it gave him his best chance at a geography waiver. Maybe he was led to believe it is the same geographically (not what the rulebook says, but of course it's the NCAA), but it sure as hell isn't better than VCU for the playing at home argument.