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Conference Expansion: Stanford, California and SMU Join the ACC

Esteban said:
Yeah, that sucks. It’s like being a wake fan ~25 years ago when we were elated with the occasional season where we got 3 wins in conference and got to go to the Seattle Bowl or the Aloha Bowl. Maybe the athletic department doesn’t have quite as much money but I’m not interested in returning to that era of sports.
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You might be surprised to learn that the median number of ACC wins per year under Clawson is 3 (mean is 3). Even if you throw out the first two seasons with 1 win each, it’s still 3 (mean is 3.6). If you throw out the first two years and the Covid year, it climbs to 3.5 (mean is 3.7). The means are skewed by the 7-win ACC season, which is great.
 
Deaconblue said:
The ACC GoR basically says that any money derived from any media presentation of any signatory to the GoR originating in their facilities belongs to the ACC, not the signatory. Hence if FSU leaves, anything they get from home games from another conference media deal would go to the ACC. And that applies to all sports. Football. Basketball. Rowing...
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Could they play their home games in Jax to avoid this?
 
freakadeac said:
Jim Phillips has been all defense, he is finally playing offense with Stanford Cal SMU talks. Probably too late but it is better than doing nothing. ACC looking at B1G bringing in Rutgers #1 NY market as a comp. I don’t pretend to know any of the numbers but SMU makes the most sense because of #5 Dallas TV market and them likely taking a significantly reduced revenue share. Stanford Cal bring #2 LA and #6 San Fran but they can negotiate with ACC for a much bigger share than SMU. Maybe us landing Stanford Cal SMU is the first step to offer ND the 18th spot, or (once ND says no) to pivot and poach Big 12 guys like TCU Baylor Houston.

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Is it better than doing nothing? At this point I don't think that it is. What is the upside for the ACC to add Stanford, Cal, and SMU? To add any value they would need to allow the ACC to significantly increase the money from their TV deal and I don't see any of the 3 of them doing that.

And is expansion even about TV markets anymore? It definitely was in previous expansions but I don't know about now. Most markets get the ACCN, BTN, and SECN already.
 
Biff Ochocinco Tannen said:
You might be surprised to learn that the median number of ACC wins per year under Clawson is 3 (mean is 3). Even if you throw out the first two seasons with 1 win each, it’s still 3 (mean is 3.6). If you throw out the first two years and the Covid year, it climbs to 3.5 (mean is 3.7). The means are skewed by the 7-win ACC season, which is great.
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The Caldwell dream is the Clawson mean!

Well admittedly the bowl calculus now is different with the additional OOC game.

Hopefully that mean continues to rise. First benchmark was being a consistent bowl team, next benchmark a consistent .500 conference team. Think the flywheel where on field success results in elevated recruiting is in full force and will act as a tailwind. Also think the revised league schedule (losing annual games against Clemson and a quickly rebuilding FSU in favor of games against GT and a floundering VT) should also result in a lift.
 
If the big 12 GOR is as locked up as we think the ACC GOR is
If what's left of the pac # doesn't increase revenue enough on their own to make expansion worth it
If what is left in non power 5 wasn't worth it before
and if our GOR is so iron clad.....

why expand now? Why do anything? other than to do something? And if things were worth doing before and we didn't, then why didn't we?
 
so if ACC gets Cal and Stanford, what happens to the rest of the Pac 2? Mountain West?
 
This shit is so stupid. The only reason to go after Stanford/Cal/SMU is if the FSU and Clemson damage is irreparable and they're already gone, and even then it's stupid.

People looking at TV markets are missing the fact that none of those schools bring eyeballs to TV sets. Dallas market? SMU is like the sixth option AT BEST in the DFW market. Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, Texas Tech, BU, and TCU all have much larger fan and alumni presence in DFW.

The ACC is about to turn into the AAC.
 
We might want to look at this when talking about most watched programs. In 2022, Cal was ranked ahead of UNC and Stanford was just behind it. In fact, the two Pac schools were ahead of Cuse, GT, Pitt, Miami, Wake, Louisville, BC, VT and UVA.

Wash St and Oregon St pulled better numbers than most ACC schools. Perhaps we try to get all 4 and have a western division.

 
Esteban said:
The Caldwell dream is the Clawson mean!

Well admittedly the bowl calculus now is different with the additional OOC game.

Hopefully that mean continues to rise. First benchmark was being a consistent bowl team, next benchmark a consistent .500 conference team. Think the flywheel where on field success results in elevated recruiting is in full force and will act as a tailwind. Also think the revised league schedule (losing annual games against Clemson and a quickly rebuilding FSU in favor of games against GT and a floundering VT) should also result in a lift
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Being a consistent .500 team in conference should be the goal, but just I just looked at the SEC East over the last 10 years.

Georgia 6.4
Florida 4.5
Texas A&M at 4.2 with an 8 win season
Missouri at 3.9 with two 7 wins seasons in 2013 and 2014
Mississippi St 3.8 wins a year with one outlier 6 win seasons.
Tennessee with 3.4. .
South Carolina with 3.4.
Kentucky with 2.9
Vandy 1.6.

Four of those teams are below .500 in conference the last 10 years. Only Georgia can say they have been above .500 in conference each of the last 10 years.
 
DeacKillsaDevil said:
We might want to look at this when talking about most watched programs. In 2022, Cal was ranked ahead of UNC and Stanford was just behind it. In fact, the two Pac schools were ahead of Cuse, GT, Pitt, Miami, Wake, Louisville, BC, VT and UVA.

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Didn’t we already determine that this was extremely flawed because the ACCN games were given a 0 for viewers?
 
deacdixieboy said:
Didn’t we already determine that this was extremely flawed because the ACCN games were given a 0 for viewers?
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Maybe but I didn't go back 3,000 posts to find it. I doubt the ACCN games change this very much especially considering ACCN was not on Cox for several years.

Were Pac12N games included?
 
DeacKillsaDevil said:
Maybe but I didn't go back 3,000 posts to find it. I doubt the ACCN games change this very much.

Were Pac12N games included?
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We had 7 games on ACCN in 2022 (and one on SECN and one on an RSN - don’t know if those numbers are published or not) - there’s no way in hell accounting for those games doesn’t change the number of viewers significantly. Using zero as a placeholder for games where viewership was unavailable makes this all about how many of those games a given school had.
 
NSFWake said:
any evidence of this contract and who has officially signed onto it?
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I don't think the document been made public but it would be outright shocking if both the Big 12 and said teams announced they were going without signing a contract first. That would be utter malpractice.
 
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