• Welcome to OGBoards 10.0, keep in mind that we will be making LOTS of changes to smooth out the experience here and make it as close as possible functionally to the old software, but feel free to drop suggestions or requests in the Tech Support subforum!

Next Year's FB Team + Scholarship Tracker |

Friendly reminder that an NFL scout buddy has told @wakelaw13 and I that Key is the best WR prospect on the team. And I think that was actually last year when we had AT.

He should have been a massive feature in our offense, particularly with a bad QB. Jet sweeps, pop passes, quick screens, wildcat QB, etc. He should have been our Percy Harvin-lite and gotten 10+ touches a game.

I was always bummed that Clawson refused to let Tabari Hines & Dortch play together, even though Hines did basically nothing post-transfer. This is a much worse example of personnel mismanagement. Not quite as awful as the KWIII situation, but bad.
 
tigerswood said:
Friendly reminder that an NFL scout buddy has told @wakelaw13 and I that Key is the best WR prospect on the team. And I think that was actually last year when we had AT.

He should have been a massive feature in our offense, particularly with a bad QB. Jet sweeps, pop passes, quick screens, wildcat QB, etc. He should have been our Percy Harvin-lite and gotten 10+ touches a game.

I was always bummed that Clawson refused to let Tabari Hines & Dortch play together, even though Hines did basically nothing post-transfer. This is a much worse example of personnel mismanagement. Not quite as awful as the KWIII situation, but bad.
Click to expand...
100%- only time I remember running jet sweep/oribt all year was that short TD against FSU. Key could be like DJ Moore in NFL
 
JKW385 said:
100%- only time I remember running jet sweep/oribt all year was that short TD against FSU. Key could be like DJ Moore in NFL
Click to expand...
Also ran at homecoming. Great throwback for the alumni!
 
He has his system. It's about the system not the player. The adapts not the system. (not saying I agree, but that seems to be how it is)
 
Deacon92 said:
He has his system. It's about the system not the player. The adapts not the system. (not saying I agree, but that seems to be how it is)
Click to expand...
Yep. And, as a rule, this principle is idiotic. Imagine Nick Saban trying to run the same offense with Jalen Milroe vs. Bryce Young or Jalen Hurts vs. Tua.

For a while, Concepcion for State was all they had on offense. 2 struggling QBs. Look at how Anae schemed things up as the year progressed to get him the ball in many different ways. Wildcat QB, RB, quick screens, and plenty of normal WR routes too. Key is that level of player.
 
One of the best plays in Wake history. The pass Williams caught on the sidelines, contested, stayed in bounds, alluded 2 tacklers to secure the 1st down and W. Do you remember? FSU?
 
Deacon92 said:
He has his system. It's about the system not the player. The adapts not the system. (not saying I agree, but that seems to be how it is)
Click to expand...
To which I would argue in 2023+ this will no longer work. Not when you don't even know who might be on your team from one year to the next. The old coach em up model is on thin ice.
 
I alluded to to FSU TD as what I was hoping to see at the Syracuse 4. Of course it didn't happen.
 
TheAbster said:
To which I would argue in 2023+ this will no longer work. Not when you don't even know who might be on your team from one year to the next. The old coach em up model is on thin ice.
Click to expand...
If’s a circular reference that’s gonna crash the algorithm. Don’t know what players will be in the system and don’t know what system will suit the players. However, one thing I do know - we have to build offense around the once every 5 years type of guys in this new era in their second year of meaningful snaps. It gives us best chance of winning and keeping them at Wake. If they blow up and go to NFL earlier than expected- great- that ultimately helps the program. If we get into an NIL bidding war and lose - I’m okay with that. I’m okay with getting beat by other teams in NIL and on the field due to talent/resources any day of the week. I’m not okay with getting beat on bad coaching moves- we gotta be smarter.
 
JKW385 said:
The Grobe administration had its own issues but felt like when we had a guy who was clearly more talented than most of our guys - he would be the featured player. Think about how we went to Terence Williams, Barclay, Idelette, Kenny Moore, Josh Adams, Josh Harris, Givens, Camparano, etc. over and over again until either team adjusted or they got hurt.
Click to expand...
Willie Idlette was force-fed 30 touches across 21 games his junior and sophomore years. He had 73 as a freshman (6 per game) and 62 as a senior (4.4).

Josh Adams got 91 attempts and 7 receptions as a senior (8.2 touches per game).

Josh Harris got 100 fewer touches than Brandon Pendergrass his sophomore year, which led to no end of griping on the boards. He got 12 more touches than DeAndre Martin as a junior. His one year as a bell-cow, he got 11.6 touches per game and had 2 more rushing attempts than Tanner Price. (No way to tell how many of Price's were sacks).

Givens averaged 5 touches a game as a freshman and 4.6 as a sophomore. As a junior, he finally broke out with 7.5 touches. Over his four years, Campanaro averaged 6.7 touches a game. The underused Greg Dortch averaged 7.7 touches per game in his two seasons.

We did run roughly 11 (15%) more plays in Dorth's sophomore year (2018) than Givens's junior/Camp's sophomore year (2011). We also had a receiver room in 2011 that included Danny Dembry (36 rec), Terence Davis (20), Cam Ford (12), Andrew Parker (6), and Matt James (3). In 2018, our other pass-catchers beyond Dortch (89) were Sage Surratt (41), Alex Bachman (37), Scotty Washington (20), Jack Freudenthal (15), Brandon Chapman (12), Jaquarri Roberson (7), Kendall Hinton (6), and Steven Claude (4).
 
OldGoldBeard said:
Willie Idlette was force-fed 30 touches across 21 games his junior and sophomore years. He had 73 as a freshman (6 per game) and 62 as a senior (4.4).

Josh Adams got 91 attempts and 7 receptions as a senior (8.2 touches per game).

Josh Harris got 100 fewer touches than Brandon Pendergrass his sophomore year, which led to no end of griping on the boards. He got 12 more touches than DeAndre Martin as a junior. His one year as a bell-cow, he got 11.6 touches per game and had 2 more rushing attempts than Tanner Price. (No way to tell how many of Price's were sacks).

Givens averaged 5 touches a game as a freshman and 4.6 as a sophomore. As a junior, he finally broke out with 7.5 touches. Over his four years, Campanaro averaged 6.7 touches a game. The underused Greg Dortch averaged 7.7 touches per game in his two seasons.

We did run roughly 11 (15%) more plays in Dorth's sophomore year (2018) than Givens's junior/Camp's sophomore year (2011). We also had a receiver room in 2011 that included Danny Dembry (36 rec), Terence Davis (20), Cam Ford (12), Andrew Parker (6), and Matt James (3). In 2018, our other pass-catchers beyond Dortch (89) were Sage Surratt (41), Alex Bachman (37), Scotty Washington (20), Jack Freudenthal (15), Brandon Chapman (12), Jaquarri Roberson (7), Kendall Hinton (6), and Steven Claude (4).
Click to expand...
Appreciate the work on the stats. So are you saying my point is accurate or off base? How many touches per game did Key and KW3 get in 2023 and 2020, respectively? What about Cooley in 2022?
 
OldGoldBeard said:
Willie Idlette was force-fed 30 touches across 21 games his junior and sophomore years. He had 73 as a freshman (6 per game) and 62 as a senior (4.4).

Josh Adams got 91 attempts and 7 receptions as a senior (8.2 touches per game).

Josh Harris got 100 fewer touches than Brandon Pendergrass his sophomore year, which led to no end of griping on the boards. He got 12 more touches than DeAndre Martin as a junior. His one year as a bell-cow, he got 11.6 touches per game and had 2 more rushing attempts than Tanner Price. (No way to tell how many of Price's were sacks).

Givens averaged 5 touches a game as a freshman and 4.6 as a sophomore. As a junior, he finally broke out with 7.5 touches. Over his four years, Campanaro averaged 6.7 touches a game. The underused Greg Dortch averaged 7.7 touches per game in his two seasons.

We did run roughly 11 (15%) more plays in Dorth's sophomore year (2018) than Givens's junior/Camp's sophomore year (2011). We also had a receiver room in 2011 that included Danny Dembry (36 rec), Terence Davis (20), Cam Ford (12), Andrew Parker (6), and Matt James (3). In 2018, our other pass-catchers beyond Dortch (89) were Sage Surratt (41), Alex Bachman (37), Scotty Washington (20), Jack Freudenthal (15), Brandon Chapman (12), Jaquarri Roberson (7), Kendall Hinton (6), and Steven Claude (4).
Click to expand...
So our 2018 WR room had 6 future NFL players in it and we went 7-6 (3-5). And we are talking about building offenses around the players we have on the roster?
 
And maybe an NFL QB in Hartman.
 
Ph, don't you think some of Hartman leaving was he wasn't seeing the OL improve? I noticed he wasn't taking off and running out of pressure like he used to. This made me conclude he didn't want to risk another injury, like a broken leg
 
80deacon said:
Ph, don't you think some of Hartman leaving was he wasn't seeing the OL improve? I noticed he wasn't taking off and running out of pressure like he used to. This made me conclude he didn't want to risk another injury, like a broken leg
Click to expand...

Yeah I noticed that too - think it was a combination of weaker offensive line and the health issue he had in early 2022.
 
warak said:
He made a lot of money to go to ND and give himself more profile for the NFL…or maybe bachelor
Click to expand...
This dude is literally doing cologne commercials. ND was almost a road to a modeling career for him…
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top