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Steve Forbes credibility watch

DeacDaddy said:
The definition of insanity is continuing to engage with the board’s biggest troll regarding the troll’s sole cause celebre, on which his own hypocrisy has already been blatantly proven. Seriously. What are y’all doing
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Bro
Mit Shah calls him on the reg doe


I also hear he has many leather bound books and that he smells of mahogany.
 
It would be most helpful to survey the actual players and pinpoint what is most important to them in 2024. I know in some NIL discussions, that Currie and company are doing their best to understand where money is best spent in the future. I haven't seen the results but I suspect infrastructure is down the list of priorities in the current NIL world. Perhaps RTQ can shed more light on this as he's closer to it. Sure, kids appreciate nice facilities but I'm not convinced it has the impact today that it did 5, 10, 20 years ago.

With the right NIL $$$, I find it hard to believe a kid would turn us down because we don't have an arena on campus.
 
Bruh we are 41-5 under Forbes at home since 2021. The Joel fills up and gets rowdy when we are winning, which is beginning to happen more. An on-campus arena would be dope but isn't desperately needed to "save the program" right now. The program is in the best place its been since 2010. People need to chill.
 
BeachBumDeac said:
Most everybody agrees a new arena would be awesome. In a unicorn and rainbow world where money is unlimited it'd be great to replace the Joel.

In the real world where resources are limited, it's way down the priority list and we get a much better ROI spending that money elsewhere.
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It would be great from a fan standpoint. It means fuckall to our ability to attract top talent in the NIL era.
 
WindyCityDeac said:
I could get behind the better arena argument. The part that isn't making sense to me is that we had our most success in an era when the arena should've mattered more. Pre-NIL. A large bag would theoretically supercede a desire to play in a great arena in the current environment.

So i'm not sure how to reconcile this seeming disconnect @donaldross
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What success are you talking about? 1993-1997 was the only successful era. And that was because we had Tim Duncan. He never saw the Joel before enrolling.

A fair (and even low) test of success at Wake Forest would be 2-3 sweet 16s per decade. 2 ACC championship appearances a decade. 5-6 ncaa appearances per decade. Surely no one’s bar is lower than that.

Without Tim Duncan on the roster that has not happened in 60 years.

That’s another reason I really like Forbes strategy of recruiting overseas and using the portal. Those players never see our games before they have enrolled.

What Forbes sells so well is “I’m a fun guy. And this is big boy basketball”. Meaning we play in big games on TV. That’s really all we have going for us so he is quite wise. Given our base of money for NIL and our stadium we can’t do better than Steve Forbes.
 
donaldross said:
What success are you talking about? 1993-1997 was the only successful era. And that was because we had Tim Duncan. He never saw the Joel before enrolling.

A fair (and even low) test of success at Wake Forest would be 2-3 sweet 16s per decade. 2 ACC championship appearances a decade. 5-6 ncaa appearances per decade. Surely no one’s bar is lower than that.

Without Tim Duncan on the roster that has not happened in 60 years.

That’s another reason I really like Forbes strategy of recruiting overseas and using the portal. Those players never see our games before they have enrolled.

What Forbes sells so well is “I’m a fun guy. And this is big boy basketball”. Meaning we play in big games on TV. That’s really all we have going for us so he is quite wise. Given our base of money for NIL and our stadium we can’t do better than Steve Forbes.
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You’re saying people are wrong for saying Forbes should be more successful, while also saying we didn’t have any basketball success after 1997? Most people learn to make conclusions based on solid logic after law school. I know you’re a troll, but come on.
 
donaldross said:
I am certainly not Mit Shah. But unlike you keyboard hiders, he does call me up and argue with me on occasion about what I post.

In order to win in men’s basketball, we must have a stable of really rich donors who prioritize it over football. Right now, we have exactly 1 of those. We had more but they have been alienated and moved along. We need to do better as a fan base to work together -- even when we disagree.

This is just not the time to call to fire Forbes. No one really wants our job — and they will want it even less if we did that. We need to focus on ourselves and build up a big pool of basketball only money for NIL and a stadium so we can be good in 2035. All this animosity just does not help.
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I have an acquantance that is on the board at a Socon school. Believe it or not but some of this gathering of rich donors is taking place there as they start to put basketball ahead of football.
 
I feel like everyone should be able to express their approval or support for Coach Forbes without needing to make the asinine statement that Wake Forest couldn’t get a “better” coach than Forbes. What the fuck does that even mean? None of the people making that statement are providing any metrics or logic to support it. It’s pathetic LOWF to the maximum.
 
Wake Forest alums are certainly free to express their approval or disapproval on anything.

And Currie is no dumbo. He can and should follow what the base wants to do—but only if 70-80% of alums agree.

Here 80+% of alums agree we should keep the Joel. You can’t raise 125 million against that backdrop.

So yes, not only are you allowed to express your views, those views can and have impacted the success of the basketball team in large ways.

Schools lose at something for decades only if (1) they don’t really care about that something or (2) the alums are really dumb.

I think it’s pretty clear most of our alums fall under (1).
 
JamesSokolove said:
Sure hope Steve can keep his job now that I've registered my son for his summer camp
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Even if that happens, DR can convert it to a "Winning at Life" camp. He already has his outfit picked out.

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In the decade before Tim Duncan came to Wake, we had 2 Sweet 16’s (84 and 93) and 4 NCAA appearances (84, 91, 92, 93)


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myDeaconmyhand said:
I feel like everyone should be able to express their approval or support for Coach Forbes without needing to make the asinine statement that Wake Forest couldn’t get a “better” coach than Forbes. What the fuck does that even mean? None of the people making that statement are providing any metrics or logic to support it. It’s pathetic LOWF to the maximum.
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Jesus Christ. I'll bite. Live long enough to become the villainous old poster who defends the head coach against his younger impatient critics I guess.

Speaking for myself, I think Wake basketball has been so bad and the landscape of college basketball has changed so much that it's not likely Wake could get better than a mid-major coach coming off 5 straight seasons with 24+ wins including a 30 win season. I don't think Wake could get a coach from another high-major conference. I also think given the landscape, it is so much harder for a coach to break into the postseason at all but a few marquee programs. We can't compare Forbes now to Odom just needing to get to .500 in the ACC.
 
Anyone that doesn't support Steve should have their head examined. Do you not remember what a dumpster fire shit turd Wake had under Manning and Jeff B. Its sad that we cannot rally behind our coach.
 
Wake's issue is that we have had opportunities to make waves at a national level and have always fallen short in the postseason and squashed the momentum of the program.

Look at what one breakthrough year did for our baseball program.
 
donaldross said:
What success are you talking about? 1993-1997 was the only successful era. And that was because we had Tim Duncan. He never saw the Joel before enrolling.

A fair (and even low) test of success at Wake Forest would be 2-3 sweet 16s per decade. 2 ACC championship appearances a decade. 5-6 ncaa appearances per decade. Surely no one’s bar is lower than that.

Without Tim Duncan on the roster that has not happened in 60 years.

That’s another reason I really like Forbes strategy of recruiting overseas and using the portal. Those players never see our games before they have enrolled.

What Forbes sells so well is “I’m a fun guy. And this is big boy basketball”. Meaning we play in big games on TV. That’s really all we have going for us so he is quite wise. Given our base of money for NIL and our stadium we can’t do better than Steve Forbes.
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I think I can get behind that criteria of success. Sweet 16 appearance i may quibble with do to single game variance...
 
donaldross said:
Wake Forest alums are certainly free to express their approval or disapproval on anything.

And Currie is no dumbo. He can and should follow what the base wants to do—but only if 70-80% of alums agree.

Here 80+% of alums agree we should keep the Joel. You can’t raise 125 million against that backdrop.

So yes, not only are you allowed to express your views, those views can and have impacted the success of the basketball team in large ways.

Schools lose at something for decades only if (1) they don’t really care about that something or (2) the alums are really dumb.

I think it’s pretty clear most of our alums fall under (1).
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While Wake fans, on average, certainly aren't "poor" as you say, we can all agree that we have a limited pool from which to raise funds. If you'd seriously prefer to pull $125 million from that pool for a new arena vs. use that money for NIL over the next 10-20+ years, you're even dumber than I thought.
 
PhDeac said:
it's not likely Wake could get better than a mid-major coach coming off 5 straight seasons with 24+ wins including a 30 win season.
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This is where the logic for the asanine statement falls apart - in this hypothetical coaching search, you aren’t evaluating Forbes on his previous mid major success, you are evaluating him on the lack of success here at Wake Forest, which is the entire motivation of the hypothetical coaching search.

There are always a number of successful
Mid Major coaches who are ready for a promotion to a major conference team, eventually that shine wears off.
 
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