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Steve Forbes credibility watch

No one wants Forbes to be fired right now. Wish you all would stop with that nonsense. There are plenty of real stupid arguments to have with DR, no point in having imaginary ones.
Again; why in hell do we even have this thread? It's embarrassing as a fan base. Forbes makes mistakes, granted. Most Coaches do. But in my mind you have to be an idiot to not see that right now he is a good fit for the Team, the School and Deac rooters everywhere. Sure we want to make the Tourney this year. But if he falls just short you real want to start over with someone else with how bright the future looks? He's 63-45, .583. in the ACC and 193-88, .687 in the NCAA. ACC Coach of the Year in 2022 and in his fourth full year here. And who would you want???
Just stop....it makes me nuts.
 
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I truly don’t understand why people spend so much time talking about the lost decade as if that has any bearing on our ability to win games this year. We have plenty of talent to win games this year, probably third best overall in the conference. Credit to Forbes for doing that! But whether we make the tournament or not this year has nothing to do with Manning or Redacted.
The impact of the lost decade or whatever you want to call it still impacts us in a couple of ways:
1) High school recruiting: We have been so irrelevant that the level of US based high school recruits available to us hasn’t provided anyone who can move the needle right away, with most so far not helping down the line either. This has hurt our roster continuity and depth and left us a guy or two short each year even with all the portal success. I imagine if we actually start making the tourney this part would improve too, but for now we’ve gotten back to competitive without this avenue, which I view as impressive.
Offsets/big picture view: a) where as our prior coaches would have just filled up the class with the best talent they could get (often sub-standard ACC level players), Forbes has been increasingly more selective about who he’s taken in the last 3 classes, prioritizing roster flexibility (and thank goodness, because we’d be dead without Sallis, Reid, Boopie this year); b) he’s tapped into the International market to fill in what we couldn’t find in the US, to some success; c) he’s prioritized multiple year transfers to help build that depth/roster continuity. Williamson, Monsanto, Laravia, Carr, Ituka, Boopie, Sallis, Reed, Canka all fit this. Good success rate too.
d) it’s been a slow build, but the number of guys that have proven to be ACC caliber contributors in the prior year that has returned as a base has increased every year: 22 - Williamson and Mucius; 23 - Williamson, Monsanto, Hildreth; 24 - Monsanto, Hildreth, Carr, Marsh; Laravia not being on 23 and Klintman not on 24 were bad breaks too, but still evidence of a thoughtful plan, decent execution, and building towards something while not quite being at the destination we all want for a variety of reasons.

We’ve been close though and I still feel like we have positive momentum as a program. So for me personally it’s not a view that I’m happy just being relevant and don’t care enough to want to make a change because at least we are competitive. But rather I’m competitive as hell and obsessed with Wake bball, and it’s my view that on current course we will get there sooner rather than later and a principled stand that it’s get in year 4 or year 5 or else would actually derail us from getting to our goals rather than improving our chances.

2) Scheduling: another lesser result of the lost decade is that our reputation still isn’t big enough to get the good holiday tournaments, nor the good one off games, and I believe it has to have contributed to our continued lack of opportunities in the non-conference. It would be great to give ourselves more chances, but for now we have to take advantage of the few we get.
 
Forbes is the best coach for Wake. There is no one else that brings more to the table in terms of past success, experience, and personality.
There is only one area in which he has fallen short. Forbes, for various reasons and some beyond his control, has failed to retain /re-recruit his own roster. For example, last year with complete roster retention, he could have started a roster of Walton, Muscius, Laravia, Williamson, and Appleby. This year's team could have included Laravia and Klintman.
The Blue Goats are successful this year only because they have retained players for 4 and 5 years.
 
Again; why in hell do we even have this thread? It's embarrassing as a fan bse. Forbes makes mistakes, granted. Most Coaches do. But in my mind you have to be an idiot to not see that right now he is a good fit for the Team, the School and Deac rooters everywhere. Sure we want to make the Tourney this year. But if he falls just short you real want to start over with someone else with how bright the future looks? He's 63-45, .583. in the ACC and 193-88, .687 in the NCAA. ACC Coach of the Year in 2022 and in his fourth full year here. And who would you want???
Just stop....it makes me nuts.
So how long is long enough? How many seasons of being on the bubble before people feel the question can be asked?
 
I don't have the exact answer to that. Every Program is different. Given Wake's history especially in the hiring of bad HC's since Skip, I'm giving Forbes at least 6 years of continuous improvement before I even discuss the point. And that is if we continue to see support of the Program ($$) wise. Then if we don't make the Tourney next year, (though I do believe we're a 50/50 this year) and outside serious injuries, I think the discussion is valid.
 
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Forbes has to win on the road

It's a common cycle... we beat the piss out of an opponent at home and we're all checking to see where the final four is this season, then a few days later we drop a winnable game on the road and we're trying to figure out if Forbes has an onerous buyout
 
We won by 25 for several reasons. One is the stupid metrics which means the staff have to keep reminding the players late to "keep scoring" which feels like running it up.

It messes up late game substitutions, playing walk-ond etc. Yuck.

Forbes reiterated how much he loathes the current system.
 
Maybe referendums on the long term future of the coaching staff shouldn’t happen after every game. We were 5-5 on the road in conference in his first real season and the Isaiah Wong home game felt like a death blow. 1-2 right now. We’re going to lose more road games, that’s what everyone does. Having the conversation after every performance when there’s no scenario in which it ends after this season or even next season is so worthless.

Miami lost at home to Louisville, Duke lost at home to Pitt and on the road at GT, Clemson lost at home to GT. We aren’t even losing to bad teams and this shit comes up every game.
 
this is a message board - why are we not allowed to have a running conversation about the state of the program?

You’re allowed to talk about what you want but don’t get all defensive when everyone calls you out for having terrible takes. Especially coming from a damn Kentucky fan.
 
You’re allowed to talk about what you want but don’t get all defensive when everyone calls you out for having terrible takes. Especially coming from a damn Kentucky fan.
You don’t have license to be an asshole with no repercussions. If you want to argue we can argue, but if you talk shit to me I’m going to give it right back to you and anyone else.
 
You don’t have license to be an asshole with no repercussions. If you want to argue we can argue, but if you talk shit to me I’m going to give it right back to you and anyone else.

It’s a shit reactionary take. It’s ok. We all make them.

But you’re not gonna get much traction after wins.
 
I’m not someone calling for Forbes to be fired at all but let’s be honest about what 28-18 means in the ACC these days. This isn’t 1995.

Acc sucked during buzz and statue too. And they still found a way to lose.
 
This is the point TITS was making about you.
I’m not rolling over for the condescending vitriol on this board. Your disagreeing with the tone of someone’s posting that you disagree with doesn’t excuse personal vitriol. You insult me because I made a post you disagree with, I’m going to give that shit right back. It’s that simple. This started with me criticizing Forbes, not me insulting anyone.
 
I’m not rolling over for the condescending vitriol on this board. Your disagreeing with the tone of someone’s posting that you disagree with doesn’t excuse personal vitriol. You insult me because I made a post you disagree with, I’m going to give that shit right back. It’s that simple. This started with me criticizing Forbes, not me insulting anyone.
Didn’t you call everybody who is happy with Forbes soft?
 
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