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Saturday College Football 12/3

Liquid Karma said:
Looking at the computer rankings used for the BCS, obviously not accounting for today's games:

Anderson & Hester
Bama - 3rd
OSU - 2nd

OSU will stay 2nd


Richard Billingsly
Bama - 2nd
OSU - 3rd

The gap here is minimal. I expect OSU to jump Bama to 2nd.


Colley Matrix
Bama - 3rd
OSU - 2nd

OSU will stay 2nd.


Kenneth Massey
Bama - 2nd
OSU - 3rd

The gap is significant, so I doubt OSU jumps bama here.

Sagarin
Bama - 2nd
OSU - 3rd

Decent gap, but I think OSU will jump Bama because they are thrashing the current #4 team in Sagarin's ratings.

Peter Wolfe
Bama - 2nd
OSU - 3rd

Decent gap, but I don't think OSU jumps Bama.

The net effect of this would be felt in the average computer ranking component of the BCS which currently has Bama 2nd and OSU 3rd. OSU will likely jump Bama in the composite of the computer rankings, meaning fewer voters will need to jump OSU over Bama to get them into the BCS title game.
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One can only hope the voters are unbiased.
 
BBDeac said:
Still a bad loss for a team that could be in the national championship game even though ISU is a competent team. Relativity.
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Relatively speaking, OSU had better wins against a better schedule than Bama, and it really wasn't close.

7-1 vs Sagarin top 30* for OSU vs 2-1 for Bama.

Similar for all of the computer ratings.


*Not sure why Sagarin compiles the top 30 instead of the typical top 25.
 
Liquid Karma said:
Let me get this straight:

LSU beats Bama on their field and you think Bama is "likely better than LSU."

Okie St has "way better wins" against a better schedule and Bama is "definitely better than Ok St?"

Interesting logic.
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That's going on the eye test and opinion. Bama outplayed LSU that game, they just got screwed by their special teams that day.

Okie St does have better wins against a tougher schedule but Bama didn't have the luxury of playing their schedule. Many of those wins were a lot closer than they should have been and I think Bama would have just blown those teams out.

The system we have should have LSU-Ok St in the title game, but I think Bama is the best team. Basically I don't like the BCS.
 
Liquid Karma said:
Relatively speaking, OSU had better wins against a better schedule than Bama, and it really wasn't close.

7-1 vs Sagarin top 30* for OSU vs 2-1 for Bama.

Similar for all of the computer ratings.


*Not sure why Sagarin compiles the top 30 instead of the typical top 25.
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What I meant by relativity is that ISU is a bad loss for a top 5 team whereas it wouldn't be for most other teams.
 
siff said:
Admittedly, I'm biased: however, all of the "Bama had their shot" nonsense is comical. Didn't Okie State have their shot, too, and proceeded to lose to a very average, at best, Iowa State team?

The system sucks, but since only one team is undefeated, shouldn't it come down to the two best teams in the country? How many of you believe Okie State would be Alabama? I'll bet the vast vast majority of CFB fans believe Bama would win handily. So, that said: how do we determine what a "chance" is? Holding an OT loss against Alabama is tough, but holding against them the fact that they don't play in the (this year) terrible Big 12 is rougher.
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you do realize the Big 12 is by far the best conference this year? SEC has had a down year. Alabama and LSU are by far best two teams, Arkansas is a good third team, but SEC really isn't good after that. Big 12 had OSU, OK, Baylor, Texas, KSU.
 
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siff said:
The system sucks, but since only one team is undefeated, shouldn't it come down to the two best teams in the country?

OSU has the same record against a tougher schedule and with far more wins against the top 25, top 30, top whatever you want to cut it off at.

Holding an OT loss against Alabama is tough, but holding against them the fact that they don't play in the (this year) terrible Big 12 is rougher.

The Big 12 is ranked ahead of the SEC in every single computer ranking I've looked at tonight.
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The presumption that Bama would beat OSU is meaningless unless they settle it on the field. There is no objective way anyone can look at the body of work of the two teams and proclaim either one to be the definitive #2 team in the country. We already know what one of those teams laying claim to #2 can do against LSU. Let's see what the other team with a claim to it can do.

In a situation such as this where 2 teams have a very legit claim to a title shot, I choose to use the fact that we already saw one of the possible matchups and I would like to see the other one as the tiebreaker.
 
We should always decide the relative ability of 2 football teams based on the "eye test."
 
siff said:
Admittedly, I'm biased: however, all of the "Bama had their shot" nonsense is comical. Didn't Okie State have their shot, too, and proceeded to lose to a very average, at best, Iowa State team?

The system sucks, but since only one team is undefeated, shouldn't it come down to the two best teams in the country? How many of you believe Okie State would be Alabama? I'll bet the vast vast majority of CFB fans believe Bama would win handily. So, that said: how do we determine what a "chance" is? Holding an OT loss against Alabama is tough, but holding against them the fact that they don't play in the (this year) terrible Big 12 is rougher.
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You know I am a fan of the SEC, but it was top heavy. The whole eastern division was mediocre and Arkansas had trouble with 6-6 TAMU for most of that game.

Honestly the real reason I want a Lsu-OSU matchup is because I want something new. Just to see it.

Also the state of Alabama would go chaotic.
 
Another year, another lame ending to the college football season.
 
Liquid Karma said:
We should always decide the relative ability of 2 football teams based on the "eye test."
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Is that not what the polls do? I just think Bama is the best team, but LSU and OSU have better resumes and should play for the title.
 
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