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Any good tales of going out in a blaze of glory? Unfair treatment? Strange reasons for being canned?
 
awakegirl;49301 said:
The second the principal is ready to relent, she she literally gets up, grabs a mug and it hits the principal right in the mouth. Blood is gushing out, etc. At that point, I said, Ms. X will resign if you sign something letting her keep her pension and do not file criminal charges.SMH.
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I ask my roomate all the time this, he is a lawyer as well, do you ever feel guilty for defending or helping these people. I mean seriously the lady that hit the principal with a coffee mug across the face after grabbing and swearing at a child deserves to be fired, lose her pension, and have assault charges etc.. filed.
 
I've never once felt bad about defending a client. You don't have to like them or agree with them, but everyone deserves to have someone in their corner.
 
I'm not a lawyer, but it seems to me that the system works best when everyone has an advocate in their corner. A friend who is a lawyer told me once that he knows he's reached the most equitable solution to a dispute when none of the parties are particularly happy with the terms of the settlement, but everyone is willing to accept them.
 
ellisat2 said:
I've never once felt bad about defending a client. You don't have to like them or agree with them, but everyone deserves to have someone in their corner.
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They deserve to have someone make sure they don't get the shaft, but I've never understood this idea.

And the whole: It's better for 1K guilty to go free than 1 innocent jailed, doesn't seem right either. But then again, I haven't been shafted by the legal system yet.
 
I mean its the way things work but hypothetically, beyond watching someone yourself sling a coffee mug violently, you have 4 security cameras clear as day and witnesses see a guy shoot and kill another guy. The guy is 100% guilty, I feel they deserve no sympathy or anyone in their corner. They then exhaust the legal system to prevent death. Grand juries should hear cases and put a case on two tracks- the fast track no appeal track open and shut probably, and the normal track.
 
Deacon92 said:
They deserve to have someone make sure they don't get the shaft, but I've never understood this idea.

And the whole: It's better for 1K guilty to go free than 1 innocent jailed, doesn't seem right either. But then again, I haven't been shafted by the legal system yet.
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Thats the mantra of alot of really extreme groups, like Innocence Project -- I respect what they're doing, but I can be a criminal defense attorney without going that far.

It is my job to make sure that the justice system is properly used against citizens. That means that it is my job to call the police out for not doing something right, put the State to its burden, and make sure my guy gets a fair shake. I have many clients who come to me and say that they are totally guilty, and I defend them without losing one minute of sleep, because I'm not lying, trying to convince people they are innocent, but rather making sure that the State proves what they are accused of. If they can't do it, they don't have the right to arrest/jail someone.

That being said, I have no problem saying goodbye to a client as he's led away in cuffs after the State proves him guilty. Thats the way the game works.
 
Not an attorney but here's where I fall on this (not cut and dry I realize but this is largely how I feel): Don't blame the defense attorney because they're doing their job, one they took an oath to do. Blame the prosecution for not doing his.
 
ThinkingWithMyDeac said:
Grand juries should hear cases and put a case on two tracks- the fast track no appeal track open and shut probably, and the normal track.
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You have obviously not spent much time around Grand Juries or know really how they work.

The Grand Jury hears only the State's case. There is no advocacy for the defendant. If the Grand Jury had any more power than it does, people would be screwed.
 
HeltonCreek said:
Not an attorney but here's where I fall on this (not cut and dry I realize but this is largely how I feel): Don't blame the defense attorney because they're doing their job, one they took an oath to do. Blame the prosecution and the police for not doing theirs the right way.
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ellisat2 said:
I have many clients who come to me and say that they are totally guilty, and I defend them without losing one minute of sleep, because I'm not lying, trying to convince people they are innocent, but rather making sure that the State proves what they are accused of.
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See I can completely agree with and respect that, everyone deserves to have the rules followed 100% regardless of guilt.
 
ellis:

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YOU DECIDE AMERICA
 
I can be both. Tom Cruise turns into Al Pacino as he ages. The idealistic defense lawyer turns into the cutthroat do-anything guy when he becomes accustomed to a certain lifestyle.

Right now, I'm def Tom Cruise, though. I just went to a tiny county a few days ago and tried a case for 2 straight days just to get a dude's boat back from the Sheriff who impounded it. Damn straight.
 
you're fired stories morphed into the ethics of being a defense attorney rather quickly.
 
Eh, I'll try to get it back on track.

I rep a lady who was fired because her boss's wife accused her of having an affair with her husband. Literally had no proof, but Tennessee is a right-to-work state, so it didn't matter. Now we have a suit for slander. Its all karma.
 
ellisat2 said:
I can be both. Tom Cruise turns into Al Pacino as he ages. The idealistic defense lawyer turns into the cutthroat do-anything guy when he becomes accustomed to a certain lifestyle.

Right now, I'm def Tom Cruise, though. I just went to a tiny county a few days ago and tried a case for 2 straight days just to get a dude's boat back from the Sheriff who impounded it. Damn straight.
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So right now you're more:

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