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Milhouse said:
as far as #5, another goofy point. vinateri is the reason the pats won the first SB. THE reason. vinateri was the best player on that team. are you saying he was the best player on the colts team too? (please say yes. please say yes)
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Thats just stupid. Who do you think got Vinateri in position to make those kicks? His job is to make kicks, and he did. I'd argue 75% of NFL kickers would have done the same. In the first super bowl win Brady drove the Pats from their own 15 with no TO's and 1:21 on the clock. That's not on Vinateri. Vinateri did his job and was great at it but Brady did some exceptional stuff to get him in position to make those kicks.
 
Millhouse will give you props on the difference of the rushing game though. I was like Ph and thought there was no way that there was much of a difference in the running game between the Pats and the Colts but here's what I came up with from 2004 onward:

Colts averaged 99 yards a game and a per carry average of ~3.8

Pats averaged 120.3 yards a game and a per carry average of ~4.

So well done hitting the nail on the head on that one.
 
Vinateri was 7-12 from 40+ in 2001 and made his only 50+ yarder.

By comparison, Swank in 2006 who legitimately was the reason we won the ACC Championship hit 5-9 from 40+ and 5-7 from 50+.
 
I love circular conversations about manning and brady. Arguing who's better is like arguing why you'd rather fuck brooklyn decker or kate upton.
 
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Anyone else find it interesting that Elway said "Tebow will be our starter at camp"...?

I don't recall a coach/owner stating it like that...unless he isn't confident.

Which spawns my next question. Do the broncos draft a QB this year? what round?
 
I still give the nod to Peyton but Edgerrin James was a pretty terrific running back for him. Also, the Colts started every year like 12-0 for about 8 seasons, so I'm not sure I agree Peyton was asked to put the team on his shoulders every single game.
 
Not to mention having Marvin Harrison. Brady did that with Troy Brown.
 
It's funny that we aren't apparently supposed to think of championships when judging a QB, and yet the consensus seemed to be Brady was the superior QB until Peyton finally won a SB.
 
pointing at championships to judge a QB is the argument of a simpleton
 
No player impacts his team's success more than a football QB. To include championships in an evaluation of a QB is very fair.
 
then terry bradshaw is as good as joe montana
 
It's part of the criteria, not the only criteria.
 
thank god the ravens had dilfer to play such an impactful role. same with the giants and hostetler. and the bucs and brad johnson. and the skins and mark rypien.
 
Wouldn't you say Dilfer is a better QB than one with similar stats who didn't win a Super Bowl?
 
Milhouse said:
have you watched both of them play? that's how. championships as the be all end all measurement for QBs is such a pathetic argument. football isn't golf for fuck's sake.



lol, parse away.
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So, in your mind, you don't measure a QB's greatness by either his winning titles or by putting up record-setting stats? What's left? Karaoke? All due respect, but you are searching for a way to discredit Brady when every objective indicator points to him being a top five QB of all time. I think "you just have to watch him play" is a pretty weak counterargument.
 
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Which QBs from this past season would have won the Super Bowl with the Ravens statistically all-time best defense? I'd say probably all of them save for the real shitbirds like Gabbert, Painter, Colt McCoy and maybe a few others.
 
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