• Welcome to OGBoards 10.0, keep in mind that we will be making LOTS of changes to smooth out the experience here and make it as close as possible functionally to the old software, but feel free to drop suggestions or requests in the Tech Support subforum!

2-8 vs 3-7?

RJKarl said:
[Redacted] is much, much worse with the media but not at coaching.

Dino let a team with the among the top two or three quickest penetrating PGs and best foul line forwards in the country be zoned. If you can coach at all, having one of those two should make you unzonable. Having both, you need to be a special brand offensively challenged as a coach to let your team be zoned.
Click to expand...

I think it's completely fair to criticize Dino's coaching ability. I am, however, curious to find out why you think [Redacted] is a better coach. What have you seen in the past two seasons that shows that [Redacted] is a better coach than Dino?
 
Deac83 said:
More importantly has anyone of significance even asked if he wanted to be their coach. Any decent job, imo, you don't apply for, they come to you.
Click to expand...

My experience has been just the opposite. Over the years I have been approached with some good opportunities, but never pursued any of those that approached me first. When I wanted to make a move, I chose the opportunities I wanted and was pretty successful in landing them. I have not really thought about it from this perspective until now, but I'm pretty sure that it has resulted in a higher career trajectory for me.

I'm not saying that's the way it works with coaches. I'm just sayin...
 
[Redacted] is clearly better than Dino, that's not the question, the question is: is [Redacted] the coach for Wake Forest. The answer is clearly no.
 
thedeacfan said:
My experience has been just the opposite. Over the years I have been approached with some good opportunities, but never pursued any of those that approached me first. When I wanted to make a move, I chose the opportunities I wanted and was pretty successful in landing them. I have not really thought about it from this perspective until now, but I'm pretty sure that it has resulted in a higher career trajectory for me.

I'm not saying that's the way it works with coaches. I'm just sayin...
Click to expand...

Are you talking about in the real world or in the coaching world where they are paid $500k and up for their efforts?
 
Dave Odum from the BC/Miami game today, March 3rd, 2012. - "I've always been a believer that the more you talk about a freshman being a freshman and playing like a freshman; the more excuses you give him for making mistakes. I think you're better off just leaving that alone from a coaching standpoint."

I thought that we might want to save this quote for next year...
 
scooter84 said:
I honestly don't understand the point of these types of tiresome comparisons. Instead of labeling these teams by coach... why don't we just say 'some of wake's most talented teams only lost 2 games to bad teams while some of wake's least talented teams have lost 8 games to bad teams in only 2 years.'
Click to expand...

Dino and Skip coached some of our worst teams since Staak.
 
Jeff [Redacted] has been a college basketball coach for 4 teams over 9 seasons and has 2 years with winning records. He is not clearly better than just about anybody.
 
Wakeforest22890 said:
[Redacted] is clearly better than Dino, that's not the question, the question is: is [Redacted] the coach for Wake Forest. The answer is clearly no.
Click to expand...

The only thing that is clear to me is that Jeff [Redacted] is a piss poor excuse for a college basketball coach and needs to get the fuck away from Wake Forest. The sooner the better.
 
Deac83 said:
Are you talking about in the real world or in the coaching world where they are paid $500k and up for their efforts?
Click to expand...

Real world. The last line of my post was intended to clarify that point. Maybe I should have said "big time coaches" instead of just "coaches".
 
scooter84 said:
I honestly don't understand the point of these types of tiresome comparisons. Instead of labeling these teams by coach... why don't we just say 'some of wake's most talented teams only lost 2 games to bad teams while some of wake's least talented teams have lost 8 games to bad teams in only 2 years.'
Click to expand...

Maybe you don't understand the point of these 'tired comparisons' because you want to frame the current state of things in a more cheery light.

& just to piss you off... 'your way' would be claiming that a team on which Anthony Gurley and Shamaine Dukes were top-5 contributors was one of WF's most talented of all-time....
 
Oh, and scooter... just for the record.... by the time you posted your response, the # of sub-100 losses was up to 9

For your convenience, here's the updated data :plos::


WFU
Year / Record / Top 100 Wins / Sub-100 Losses

2003 / 25-6 / 15 / 0
2004 / 21-10 / 13 / 0
2005 / 27-6 / 20 / 0
2006 / 17-17 / 8 / 0
2007 / 15-16 / 8 / 1
2008 / 17-13 / 8 / 0
2009 / 24-7 / 14 / 0
2010 / 20-11 / 13 / 1
2011 / 8-24 / 2 / 4
2012 / 13-17 / 1 / 5
 
Dino is a better coach than Bz in my opinion. Dino also floats way closer to the line than Bz in recruiting. We would have still sucked if Dino was our coach the past two years, but we wouldn't have sucked like this. Watching our games is like watching someone stab one of your children continuously. It is painful. Dino wasn't a great coach but was serviceable and had a pretty good basketball mind. I think it is clear he failed in the area of discipline which is what cost him his job. Bz is just not a good coach, just my opinion.

Like I have said all along. If Wellman would have just been patient and allowed Dino's character indiscretions play themselves out (JTT, Walker, Woods, Ari), then we would be in much better shape. Dino would have been fired after last year, we could have brought in a good young coach to rebuild, and we would be on our way back with a fan base that would be completely understanding of the rebuild process. Instead we fire a guy that just made back to back NCAA tournament appearances, got to the final 32 in the year he got fired, and we replace him with a guy that has never won at any stop outside of one lucky season at Air Force. It is just a bad combination. Firing Dino was the right move, but Wellman did it at the wrong time. The right decision, at the wrong time is disastrous. Wisdom is knowing both the right path to take, and the proper timing in which to make the move. Sometimes you have to wait for the light to turn green before you turn, even though you know you have to turn, you need to be patient and wait for the light so that mack truck doesn't run you over.
 
Last edited:
If you are saying we didn't get the coach the fan base wanted because of the timing, I'd agree. But if you are saying it was 100% the wrong time to fire Dino I'd disagree. There were a lot of people that gave Wellman the credit for having the guts to do it. It wasn't until he hired Bzz that it all turned against him.

So the only question in my mind is did the Dino firing keep us from getting a decent coach or was it just a poor choice/decision by Wellman that prevented us from getting a coach the fans would be excited about.
 
vtwhat etc said:
Oh, and scooter... just for the record.... by the time you posted your response, the # of sub-100 losses was up to 9

For your convenience, here's the updated data :plos::


WFU
Year / Record / Top 100 Wins / Sub-100 Losses

2003 / 25-6 / 15 / 0
2004 / 21-10 / 13 / 0
2005 / 27-6 / 20 / 0
2006 / 17-17 / 8 / 0
2007 / 15-16 / 8 / 1
2008 / 17-13 / 8 / 0
2009 / 24-7 / 14 / 0
2010 / 20-11 / 13 / 1
2011 / 8-24 / 2 / 4
2012 / 13-17 / 1 / 5
Click to expand...

The difference between 2007 and this year says volumes about how down we are.
 
vtwhat etc said:
Maybe you don't understand the point of these 'tired comparisons' because you want to frame the current state of things in a more cheery light.

& just to piss you off... 'your way' would be claiming that a team on which Anthony Gurley and Shamaine Dukes were top-5 contributors was one of WF's most talented of all-time....
Click to expand...

Of course I understand the point, I just don't think they prove what you think they prove. And I am not trying to put anything in a cheery light - there is nothing cheery about our current situation. I am certainly not defending Buzz as a good coach. I just honestly think our teams last year and this year are some of the least talented I have ever seen at Wake.

I really don't know which year Gurley and Dukes were top-5 contributors - which year was that and who were the other top-5 contributors? I have to guess the other top 3 players were better than Nikita or TC or Carson - or probably even McKie...?

My memory is certainly not perfect but I just don't remember other Wake teams with this few players on whom I felt we could depend.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top