Good Ad

[Wrangor]

Not judging its truthfulness or whether I agree with the ad, but this is a good web ad that the Obama team has put out. Does a great job of painting a picture, but allowing the viewer to interpret their own meaning. It doesn't say too much, but it gives a framework for the viewer to form their own opinion based on the very limited number of facts that it displays about the issue.

 

[Dented]

Most people who have accumulated a quarter of a billion dollars just did it with good, old-fashioned hard work. After all, if you could save $100/hour after taxes and work a 40-hour week......it would only take you a little more than 1,200 years.

Actually if you could save $100/hr ($208,000/year) each year for 30 years and grow the money at a 19% rate (roughly what a private equity firm seeks to get for its clients) you would have a quarter billion dollars.

 

[Sgt Hulka]

Hard to find very successful (financially) peeps that only work 40 hrs a week.

 

[DreamOnDemOn]

Actually if you could save $100/hr ($208,000/year) each year for 30 years and grow the money at a 19% rate (roughly what a private equity firm seeks to get for its clients) you would have a quarter billion dollars.

If you make $100/ hr as a doctor or a lawyer and federal, state, and local taxes eat up 35% of that, then you manage to save $10/hour for 30 years for your retirement but inflation eats that up faster than the interest you are able to recieve from your government bonds increases it, then you will be destitute and dependent on the government when you wish you could retire in some comfort. You will never believe the government had anything to do with your failure. You will probably bitch and moan about "rich" people. You will be a stupid idiot.

 

[Wrangor]

This thread went bad quick .

 

[RJKarl]

If they put this ad out in swing states between now and the debates it could have a lot of impact.

"Why aren't American banks good enough for Mitt Romney?"

"what's in Mitt Romney's tax returns that he's hiding?"

 

[deac29]

That sounds a lot like the arguments made by the birthers regarding Obama's birth certificate. Both arguments are stupid

 

[RJKarl]

No it's not. Obama made his birth certificate available and the racist birthers never cared.

In this case, Romney has not made the information available. Plus Romney changed the ownership of a company the day before he became governmor and would have to divulge what was in that company.

 

[PhDeac]

That sounds a lot like the arguments made by the birthers regarding Obama's birth certificate. Both arguments are stupid

Except that we already knew Obama was born in the US and it was silly to suggest otherwise. We don't know how Romney makes his money and if he is creatively dodging taxes in a way that voters would fine distasteful. Romney's own father set the standard for releasing tax returns. Good false equivalency though.

Very good ad. The web ads are much better than the TV ads because they have time to tell a story. The shot at 1:24 is very cunning. The chart is sparsely labeled and you only know what it means from the description and because it is actually in context from what Romney said just before. The chart only has three things on it: "Mitt Romney" "Felons" and "Tax Records".

 

[Liquid Karma]

Except that we already knew Obama was born in the US and it was silly to suggest otherwise. We don't know how Romney makes his money and if he is creatively dodging taxes in a way that voters would fine distasteful. Romney's own father set the standard for releasing tax returns. Good false equivalency though.

Very good ad. The web ads are much better than the TV ads because they have time to tell a story. The shot at 1:24 is very cunning. The chart isn't labeled and you only know what it means from the description and because it is actually in context from what Romney said just before. The chart only has three things on it. "Mitt Romney" "Felons" and "Tax Records".

Being a natural born citizen is a requirement for being president. Even though I think the birthers are idiots, their requests were at least tenuously based on the law.

As far as I know, a complete disclosure of every minute detail of your finances is not. Requests for his tax records are nothing more than the expected attempts to stoke the class warfare narrative. It happened with John Kerry too.

 

[PhDeac]

Being a natural born citizen is a requirement for being president. Even though I think the birthers are idiots, their requests were at least tenuously based on the law.

As far as I know, a complete disclosure of every minute detail of your finances is not. Requests for his tax records are nothing more than the expected attempts to stoke the class warfare narrative. It happened with John Kerry too.

Don't act like it's anything new or unique.

 

[Liquid Karma]

Don't act like it's anything new or unique.

I'm pretty sure I indicated it's not new in my post. We saw the exact same stupid class warfare nonsense when Republicans made an issue of John Kerry's wealth in 2004.

 

[tos]

Being a natural born citizen is a requirement for being president. Even though I think the birthers are idiots, their requests were at least tenuously based on the law.

As far as I know, a complete disclosure of every minute detail of your finances is not. Requests for his tax records are nothing more than the expected attempts to stoke the class warfare narrative. It happened with John Kerry too.

Agreed. And as good as the ad is, it's probably not the Democrats' best strategy to make Debbie Wasserman Schultz the face of this push when she herself has never released her tax information and lives in a city with one of the highest family median income rates in the entire country.

 

[FuckmouthedRube]

Romney reportedly gave the McCain campaign 23 years of returns to review while he was being vetted for VP. Sounds like Mitt got some negative feedback then and decided to rope a dope the issue this time. Closing loopholes in tax reform and pension reform are among the very few issues which enjoy broad based bipartisan support. Romney truly is tone deaf if he thought offshore accounts and a reported 9 figure IRA were going to be non-issues. At the very least, he should have gotten rid of the offshore accounts within the last four years and realized that the price of admission in running for President was to release as many years (7) as Obama did in 2008. His dad released 12 years when he ran, and now Obama's been able to move the goalposts up to 12 years on Mitt. Some horrible decision making by Mitt and his campaign and he now looks shady rather than transparent. Not a good look if you're trying to run as the competent adult in the race.

 

[PhDeac]

It's crazy to me now that making sure a potential POTUS pays his taxes and made his money through legitimate means is a "class warfare" issue.

 

[RJKarl]

Being a natural born citizen is a requirement for being president. Even though I think the birthers are idiots, their requests were at least tenuously based on the law.

As far as I know, a complete disclosure of every minute detail of your finances is not. Requests for his tax records are nothing more than the expected attempts to stoke the class warfare narrative. It happened with John Kerry too.

In the past forty years the least number of tax returns was Reagan at six.

Whether Romney has something to hide or no, it sure looks like he's hiding something.

 

[tos]

It's crazy to me now that making sure a potential POTUS pays his taxes and made his money through legitimate means is a "class warfare" issue.

That's legitimate. But do you honestly believe they don't also want to point out just how much money he makes?

 

[PhDeac]

That's legitimate. But do you honestly believe they don't also want to point out just how much money he makes?

Not really. I don't think it matters to Dems if Romney made $20M or $40M in a given year. We already know he's got a ton of money. What does matter is where it came from, how much he paid in taxes, and why.

I think the Dems have people investigating Romney's money trail to see if he dotted his i's and crossed his t's so they can pull out any claim that he dodged his taxes whether it be purposeful or a simple mistake. Now of course, that would be more legit if they had just canned Geithner and saved all of us the trouble of his incompetence.

 

[jhmd2000]

It's crazy to me now that making sure a potential POTUS pays his taxes and made his money through legitimate means is a "class warfare" issue.

Man, if there is one thing I can't stand it is people who seek public office without having paid their income taxes.

Said the sitting Secretary of the Treasury of the United States, never

 

[jhmd2000]

Being a natural born citizen is a requirement for being president. Even though I think the birthers are idiots, their requests were at least tenuously based on the law.

As far as I know, a complete disclosure of every minute detail of your finances is not. Requests for his tax records are nothing more than the expected attempts to stoke the class warfare narrative. It happened with John Kerry too.

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