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Thursday's Debate: Discussion Thread

OriginalAdmiral said:
all the dems on this thread were talking about how biden was crushing ryan. then the polls come out and say how undecided voters thought it was a draw. it is hilarious how biased people want people to believe their viewpoint is correct even when it isnt. undecided voters according to cnn thought ryan won 48-44. by reading this thread, you would have thought biden won 90-10.
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CBS poll of 500 undecideds had it 50-31 for Biden. The CNN poll was just of likely voters, and shows essentially a draw among decideds.

All that matter is the undecideds in these things. I hope that more polls of that subgroup were conducted.
 
jhmd2000 said:
I don't think Ryan won. I think Biden dictated the pace and gave no ground. I just don't think the red-meat act is going to help him with the undecideds. Biden stopped the bleeding, but I don't see it helping with anyone outside his base. IMO, Ryan hurt himself more than Joe helped himself.
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Jeez, finally a reasonable post!
 
Skydog Deac said:
That's what I don't get. Biden was the aggressor tonight, just like Romney last time. Everyone acclaimed Romney the winner. Why not Biden?
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Because Biden came across as a disrespectful, dismissive, arrogant jerk. Ryan seemed like the adult at the table.
 
But again, IMO the takeaway is that Biden fought back the way Obama should have, and will in the next two. The Obama ticket might have established a floor for their slide in the polls, and, if so, they'll win the election. This debate was about momentum for the Obama ticket. Let's see if they got what they needed.
 
DeacLaw05 said:
Because Biden came across as a disrespectful, dismissive, arrogant jerk. Ryan seemed like the adult at the table.
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When a parent talks down to a child and the child tries to lie to get his way out of trouble... the child doesn't come across as the adult in the discussion.
 
OriginalAdmiral said:
Absolutely. I thought Ryan had substance and made good points. Biden's goal was to try to compensate for how bad Obama was last week and his actions/interruptions went to far and took away from any substance he may have had.
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What substance? He can't define his budget plans or zero sum tax cuts, he can't define what they would do to get unemployment down, he can't define their position on ethical/social issues, he can't define what he would do in Afghanistan, or Iran, or Syria, he can't defend his own record then says when you can't run on your record you attack the opponent's...
 
ArlingtonDeac said:
But again, IMO the takeaway is that Biden fought back the way Obama should have, and will in the next two. The Obama ticket might have established a floor for their slide in the polls, and, if so, they'll win the election. This debate was about momentum for the Obama ticket. Let's see if they got what they needed.
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So by showing how week Obama was....it's going to make him win? Hard to follow that.
 
DirkTheDeac said:
CNN: 48% Ryan... 44% Biden.
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Of likely voters. Both bases liked their guy better.

The CBS poll of only undecided had it Biden 50, Ryan 31.

If I'm handicapping the race, I'm really only interested in undecideds. Let's hope more polls are coming of that group to get a fuller picture.
 
David Gergen on CNN: I cannot remember the last time a challenger to a sitting VP got a tie. They usually lose.
 
jhmd2000 said:
David Gergen on CNN: I cannot remember the last time a challenger to a sitting VP got a tie. They usually lose.
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I guess he is including tonight? Then again it is Gergen, sometimes he's right, sometimes left, you never know.
 
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