As the New Basketball Season Begins....

[myDeaconmyhand]

I agree with this post but it was not the right move to keep Gaudio. [Redacted] was an awful hire but Wellman was right in firing Gaudio. I don't care what his overall percentage record was, he had a stacked team and still couldn't win in the tournament, both tournaments for that matter. And he had some awful non conference losses.

I say another 14 win season or less he is gone but who knows with Wellman. He has done a pretty pathetic job as of late.

Yeah, since the regular season obviously doesn't mean a damn thing it's good that we hired a coach who loses those games as well. That's stupid logic. A win is a win. Regular season wins bring money and noteriety to our program, making it easier to recruit and win in the future: they're important. The team has to have a coach so firing one coach = hiring a new coach. You all can be as butthurt over Cleveland State as you want, it doesn't make our decision to fire Dino any better. Say you have a shitty car so you decide to sell it, but you can't get any money for it, so you can't buy a new car. You get fired from your job because you can't drive to work. Now, was it a good decision to sell your car?

 

[deacvision7]

Now that you mention it, I do recall that; but honestly TC was not comparable to CMM or even Jones at the PG position. Tabb did not have the game that Thomas has, not to mention Moto. McKie was the real deal. JTT lacked the skill set that CMM possesses. The fact that that class was ranked higher says much more about the ranking system than the respective classes.

JTT is extremely gifted. He could be an All-American if he puts his mind to it and stops making stupid decisions.

 

[PirateDeacon]

That wasn't the only loss, he lost to freaking William & Mary at home and many other winnable ACC games.

So you are basically saying that we should just be satisfied with a good regular season squad and just accept that we will always suck in the post season?

That's not giving our former players a lot of credit, they had supreme talent and were completely capable of going deeper in the NCAA tourney. We just had bone-headed coaching. And if that wasn't enough, our players didn't have a lot of chemistry.

 

[deacvision7]

Now that you mention it, I do recall that; but honestly TC was not comparable to CMM or even Jones at the PG position. Tabb did not have the game that Thomas has, not to mention Moto. McKie was the real deal. JTT lacked the skill set that CMM possesses. The fact that that class was ranked higher says much more about the ranking system than the respective classes.

Also, extremely transparent that the only player you praised is the only one still at WFU in that recruiting class. Wreaks of sour grapes, to be perfectly honest with you.

 

[mebanedeac]

JTT is extremely gifted. He could be an All-American if he puts his mind to it and stops making stupid decisions.

I understand what you are saying, but I surprised at his lack of fundamentals when he first arrived at WF. He had incredible range on his shot and could be amazing when he was hot; however, he was way behind in other dimensions of the game. IMO, CMM is far ahead in terms of the over-all game.

 

[mebanedeac]

Also, extremely transparent that the only player you praised is the only one still at WFU in that recruiting class. Wreaks of sour grapes, to be perfectly honest with you.

That was not intentional. Let's see how it works out.

 

[myDeaconmyhand]

That wasn't the only loss, he lost to freaking William & Mary at home and many other winnable ACC games.

So you are basically saying that we should just be satisfied with a good regular season squad and just accept that we will always suck in the post season?

That's not giving our former players a lot of credit, they had supreme talent and were completely capable of going deeper in the NCAA tourney. We just had bone-headed coaching. And if that wasn't enough, our players didn't have a lot of chemistry.

Like I said, the absolute necessity of a head coach makes it impossible to seperate a firing from a hiring. The only purpose of firing a mediocre coach is to hire a better coach, when you hire a much worse coach you have negated whatever purpose you had in firing the first coach, making the decision bad. You don't spit out bad medicine to chew on a turd. There are a million analogies for this, it's a simple concept.

So you think Dino highly underachieved with great players? Join the club, because he did. What you're failing to recognize is that he did a lot of the leg work in recruiting those great players, thus setting the potential for the team very high his self. It's much, much better to underachieve with a great team than to suck shit or meet the super low expectations of a bad team.

 

[deacvision7]

I understand what you are saying, but I surprised at his lack of fundamentals when he first arrived at WF. He had incredible range on his shot and could be amazing when he was hot; however, he was way behind in other dimensions of the game. IMO, CMM is far ahead in terms of the over-all game.

How many times have you watched CMM play a full game of basketball in person?

 

[deacvision7]

That was not intentional. Let's see how it works out.

I didn't say it was intentional. People crying about sour grapes rarely do so intentionally.


You want to believe these new players are good enough to turn it around. Fair enough. Hope springs eternal and all that. However, it is unlikely that all 7 will outperform expectations of non-biased recruiting analysts.

 

[wakephan09]

Lots of novel information in that post. Glad to hear at least somebody has got some original thoughts.

 

[mebanedeac]

Watching bad passes and poor shot selection looks the same in person or on TV.

I was a big JTT fan when he arrived at WF and was looking forward to seeing him develop. And, I still hope that he achieves his potential; however, his lack of fundamentals was surprising. I think CMM is more fundamentally sound. It seems that you don't believe that to be the case. Let's see how things play out. Maybe you're right.

 

[deacvision7]

I haven't made any judgements about CMM because I haven't watched him in person yet. I haven't even seen him on television yet -- have you?

I'm guessing that you haven't seen CMM play in person since you decided to duck that question. Which was an answer enough.

 

[mebanedeac]

I haven't made any judgements about CMM because I haven't watched him in person yet. I haven't even seen him on television yet -- have you?

I'm guessing that you haven't seen CMM play in person since you decided to duck that question. Which was an answer enough.

I watched CMM play in a high school all-star game, in the 2nd Canadian game and at Friday's exhibition.

 

[myDeaconmyhand]

I watched CMM play in a high school all-star game, in the 2nd Canadian game and at Friday's exhibition.

#SuperFan

CMM looked really good on Friday, i'm excited about him. There is an alternative universe where Terrell and CMM are playing on the same team.

 

[TBR]

That wasn't the only loss, he lost to freaking William & Mary at home and many other winnable ACC games.

So you are basically saying that we should just be satisfied with a good regular season squad and just accept that we will always suck in the post season?

That's not giving our former players a lot of credit, they had supreme talent and were completely capable of going deeper in the NCAA tourney. We just had bone-headed coaching. And if that wasn't enough, our players didn't have a lot of chemistry.

People give that William & Mary loss way too much weight. We should have beat them, but as far as mid-major upsets go it wasn't a bad one. Ending the regular season 1-4 (and probably should have been 0-5 if Purnell wasn't so stubborn) and then getting beat down by that Miami team was far more damning.

Dino should have been fired, but there were many better candidates that should have been available. Most notably, Chris Mooney. Not the most exciting candidate, but he seems to check all of Wellman's criteria. He is definitely a high culture guy (yeah, he left AFA shortly after signing a new contract, but we apparently didn't count [Redacted]'s rather cultureless AFA departure against him) and has similar systems, but is much younger and, even then, was much more accomplished a college basketball program builder.

 

[deacvision7]

I watched CMM play in a high school all-star game, in the 2nd Canadian game and at Friday's exhibition.

Fair enough. Wanted to go on Friday, but couldn't motivate myself to drop the 8 bucks for parking. #badfan, I know.

Just do me a favor -- if (and I want to emphasize IF) CMM doesn't reach your arbitrary marks for what he should achieve, then don't knock him when the next flavor of the month commits to Wake.

 

[mebanedeac]

Fair enough. Wanted to go on Friday, but couldn't motivate myself to drop the 8 bucks for parking. #badfan, I know.

Just do me a favor -- if (and I want to emphasize IF) CMM doesn't reach your arbitrary marks for what he should achieve, then don't knock him when the next flavor of the month commits to Wake.

I don't understand your point. All I am saying is that fundamentally CMM is ahead of JTT at the same point. I am not comparing their potential.

 

[deacvision7]

I don't understand your point. All I am saying is that fundamentally CMM is ahead of JTT at the same point. I am not comparing their potential.

My point is that you are knocking JTT because he is no longer here and praising CMM simply because he is our current player.

I honestly don't think you put any more thought into it than that.

You are basing your thoughts on CMM thru a HS all star game (seriously? that's when you see fundamentals???), a game against a Canadian nobody team and an exhibition vs a team predicted to finish 4th (or is it 5th?) in some random conference in division 2. Sweet.

JTT will light it up this season is my prediction. He might be frustrating as fuck (he is) but that is a very talented basketball player.

 

[PirateDeacon]

Like I said, the absolute necessity of a head coach makes it impossible to seperate a firing from a hiring. The only purpose of firing a mediocre coach is to hire a better coach, when you hire a much worse coach you have negated whatever purpose you had in firing the first coach, making the decision bad. You don't spit out bad medicine to chew on a turd. There are a million analogies for this, it's a simple concept.

So you think Dino highly underachieved with great players? Join the club, because he did. What you're failing to recognize is that he did a lot of the leg work in recruiting those great players, thus setting the potential for the team very high his self. It's much, much better to underachieve with a great team than to suck shit or meet the super low expectations of a bad team.

No I'm not questioning his recruiting ability, I'm questioning his coaching ability which sucked. I completely agree that you don't spit out bad medicine and chew on a turd but you sure as hell don't keep the bad medicine in your mouth either.

He should've have gone after a proven winner that was young from a mid major conference.

 

[ChrisL68]

William and Mary also beat Maryland that year and made the NIT after being on the bubble late in the year.

They are better than any team that Bzz has defeated going into his 3rd year.