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2020 Democratic Presidential Nominees

knight, you ever going to tell us what trump policy positions are dead solid perfect for you?
 
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Which is the real EW? I honestly thought it was the one on the left due to the way she dressed, but it isn't.
 
Junebug said:
Why did she apologize? Ph said she didn’t do anything wrong.
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You need to go back a few posts to where I explained what she did wrong and why she apologized. You can also go back to my posts when she revealed the DNA test as well. She made a series of bad PR moves and she managed to work her way out from them.

You really don’t understand this issue at all. You definitely don’t understand affirmative action. Maybe it’s just your weird use of the word “advantage.”
 
It doesn’t matter if Warren actually received a benefit. Kind of like how Trump committed obstruction of justice regardless of proving his guilt of underlying crimes. I personally don’t think Warren ever received a material benefit for her false claim. It’s the intent that matters.

And for the record this comes absolutely nowhere close to what trump does on a daily basis.
 
Intent? Going by what her family told her about her ancestry like plenty of people do?
 
PhDeac said:
What fact did you state?

It's not an advantage to not be a white guy. You don't seem to understand that odds are the best person for the job is probably not a white man. They only make up like 33% of the population. If a non-white person gets hired, it's not because they had an advantage. It's probably because they were the best person for the job.

How warped is it to sit here and claim a woman from Oklahoma who went from a stay at home mom to Harvard professor to Senator to possible president got there because she told people her family told her she had some Native American ancestry? As if being Native American is some golden ticket.
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Jobs have specific skill sets. I know I'm the best person for my job and would be one of the best people for a lot of other jobs. I could move into a sales organization tomorrow and perform better than 90% of the American workforce and 99.9% of the planet.
 
PhDeac said:
Intent? Going by what her family told her about her ancestry like plenty of people do?
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If you’re right and that’s what happened, she is way too stupid and naive for the job she wants. Fortunately, you’re not right, she’s not stupid, and she’s a much better candidate than the current occupant.
 
wakelaw13 said:
If you’re right and that’s what happened, she is way too stupid and naive for the job she wants. Fortunately, you’re not right, she’s not stupid, and she’s a much better candidate than the current occupant.
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Boomers believe anything about themselves when it makes them special
 
Junebug said:
Thus, if someone claims to be a member of a historically disfavored but now favored group, they are more likely to get a job, a promotion, recognition, etc. than if they weren’t a member of that group.
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This is some galaxy brain shit right here.
 
PhDeac said:
Intent? Going by what her family told her about her ancestry like plenty of people do?
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Tell me about her intent, Wakelaw, given she already had the jobs when she mentioned it. Only the schools used the info.

You and Junebug are giving lawyers a bad name.
 
Meanwhile, this morning our illustrious POTUS approvingly tweeted a comment from a supporter that he is "the greatest president for Jews and for Israel in the history of the world...the Jewish people in Israel love him like he's the King of Israel. They love him like he is the second Coming of God." But Warren once said she had Native American ancestry, and it turned out not to be true! #burnheratthestake
 
Junebug said:
She claimed it at Penn and then later got the job at Harvard, which touted her as a “woman of color.”
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The Globe examined hundreds of documents, many of them never before available, and reached out to all 52 of the law professors who are still living and were eligible to be in that Pound Hall room at Harvard Law School. Some are Warren’s allies. Others are not. Thirty-one agreed to talk to the Globe — including the law professor who was, at the time, in charge of recruiting minority faculty. Most said they were unaware of her claims to Native American heritage and all but one of the 31 said those claims were not discussed as part of her hire. One professor told the Globe he is unsure whether her heritage came up, but is certain that, if it did, it had no bearing on his vote on Warren’s appointment."

"That previously undisclosed report reveals that the hiring committee at Penn, where Warren worked from 1987 to 1995, viewed her as a white female applicant. Moreover, the committee went to some pains to explain on this form why she was selected over several minorities to fill a faculty position. The Globe also reviewed, for the first time, a Harvard University human resources form showing that Warren first listed her ethnicity as Native American nearly five months after she started her tenured position at Harvard and 2½ years after she was there as a visiting professor and first offered the job."

"The Globe reviewed a never-before-reported 10-page faculty equal opportunity compliance statement form filled out by Penn’s law school’s affirmative action officer and the dean in April 1987. The form described the extensive efforts the school made to find a black, Hispanic, Asian, or American Indian candidate for the commercial law position Warren had landed.

The document, which was shared with the Globe by Stephen Burbank, a law professor at Penn who kept it for three decades in a box with other personnel files, concludes that Warren was the best for the job despite being, as they put it, “white.” Burbank was, at the time, a member of the appointments committee and on a subcommittee charged with reviewing all minority prospects."

"The form includes a written defense for the decision. “The members of the appointments committee, in discussing the appointment of Elizabeth Warren with external referees, specifically asked whether there were any minority candidates of equal or better stature,” according to a paragraph on the form. “None of the persons indicated that there was an equal or better minority candidate.”

"One area that 30 of the 31 professors interviewed by the Globe agreed on: There was no talk about her Native American claims during the meetings over her appointment. One professor emeritus, Lloyd Weinreb, said he believes her Native American ancestry was discussed. But, in an e-mail he questioned his own recollection: “I am not sure enough for you to rely on me,” he wrote.

Perhaps most telling was the role of Randall Kennedy, a law professor who was on the Harvard appointments committee at the time, and was in charge of recruiting minority candidates.

“She was not on the radar screen at all in terms of a racial minority hire,” Kennedy told the Globe. “It was just not an issue. I can’t remember anybody ever mentioning her in this context.”

Warren’s personnel file from Harvard shows that her ethnic status was first marked in the Harvard human resources system as Native American in November 1995. That’s more than four months after she started her position, and two years and nine months after she was offered the job.

“It tells me that we did not know. Or nobody had told us,” said Upson, who reviewed the forms at a Cambridge coffee shop."

https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2018/09/01/did-claiming-native-american-heritage-actually-help-elizabeth-warren-get-ahead-but-complicated/wUZZcrKKEOUv5Spnb7IO0K/story.html
 
Highland Deac said:
Meanwhile, this morning our illustrious POTUS approvingly tweeted a comment from a supporter that he is "the greatest president for Jews and for Israel in the history of the world...the Jewish people in Israel love him like he's the King of Israel. They love him like he is the second Coming of God." But Warren once said she had Native American ancestry, and it turned out not to be true! #burnheratthestake
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Why does what Trump said have anything to do with determining the best Democrat in the primary?
 
Shooshmoo said:
The Globe examined hundreds of documents, many of them never before available, and reached out to all 52 of the law professors who are still living and were eligible to be in that Pound Hall room at Harvard Law School. Some are Warren’s allies. Others are not. Thirty-one agreed to talk to the Globe — including the law professor who was, at the time, in charge of recruiting minority faculty. Most said they were unaware of her claims to Native American heritage and all but one of the 31 said those claims were not discussed as part of her hire. One professor told the Globe he is unsure whether her heritage came up, but is certain that, if it did, it had no bearing on his vote on Warren’s appointment."

"That previously undisclosed report reveals that the hiring committee at Penn, where Warren worked from 1987 to 1995, viewed her as a white female applicant. Moreover, the committee went to some pains to explain on this form why she was selected over several minorities to fill a faculty position. The Globe also reviewed, for the first time, a Harvard University human resources form showing that Warren first listed her ethnicity as Native American nearly five months after she started her tenured position at Harvard and 2½ years after she was there as a visiting professor and first offered the job."

"The Globe reviewed a never-before-reported 10-page faculty equal opportunity compliance statement form filled out by Penn’s law school’s affirmative action officer and the dean in April 1987. The form described the extensive efforts the school made to find a black, Hispanic, Asian, or American Indian candidate for the commercial law position Warren had landed.

The document, which was shared with the Globe by Stephen Burbank, a law professor at Penn who kept it for three decades in a box with other personnel files, concludes that Warren was the best for the job despite being, as they put it, “white.” Burbank was, at the time, a member of the appointments committee and on a subcommittee charged with reviewing all minority prospects."

"The form includes a written defense for the decision. “The members of the appointments committee, in discussing the appointment of Elizabeth Warren with external referees, specifically asked whether there were any minority candidates of equal or better stature,” according to a paragraph on the form. “None of the persons indicated that there was an equal or better minority candidate.”

"One area that 30 of the 31 professors interviewed by the Globe agreed on: There was no talk about her Native American claims during the meetings over her appointment. One professor emeritus, Lloyd Weinreb, said he believes her Native American ancestry was discussed. But, in an e-mail he questioned his own recollection: “I am not sure enough for you to rely on me,” he wrote.

Perhaps most telling was the role of Randall Kennedy, a law professor who was on the Harvard appointments committee at the time, and was in charge of recruiting minority candidates.

“She was not on the radar screen at all in terms of a racial minority hire,” Kennedy told the Globe. “It was just not an issue. I can’t remember anybody ever mentioning her in this context.”

Warren’s personnel file from Harvard shows that her ethnic status was first marked in the Harvard human resources system as Native American in November 1995. That’s more than four months after she started her position, and two years and nine months after she was offered the job.

“It tells me that we did not know. Or nobody had told us,” said Upson, who reviewed the forms at a Cambridge coffee shop."

https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2018/09/01/did-claiming-native-american-heritage-actually-help-elizabeth-warren-get-ahead-but-complicated/wUZZcrKKEOUv5Spnb7IO0K/story.html
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Waaaay too much text to actually digest. Best to just keep on believing she's a grifter that's where she is only because she touted her Native heritage non-stop to get ahead of qualified white men.
 
Shooshmoo said:
The Globe examined hundreds of documents, many of them never before available, and reached out to all 52 of the law professors who are still living and were eligible to be in that Pound Hall room at Harvard Law School. Some are Warren’s allies. Others are not. Thirty-one agreed to talk to the Globe — including the law professor who was, at the time, in charge of recruiting minority faculty. Most said they were unaware of her claims to Native American heritage and all but one of the 31 said those claims were not discussed as part of her hire. One professor told the Globe he is unsure whether her heritage came up, but is certain that, if it did, it had no bearing on his vote on Warren’s appointment."

"That previously undisclosed report reveals that the hiring committee at Penn, where Warren worked from 1987 to 1995, viewed her as a white female applicant. Moreover, the committee went to some pains to explain on this form why she was selected over several minorities to fill a faculty position. The Globe also reviewed, for the first time, a Harvard University human resources form showing that Warren first listed her ethnicity as Native American nearly five months after she started her tenured position at Harvard and 2½ years after she was there as a visiting professor and first offered the job."

"The Globe reviewed a never-before-reported 10-page faculty equal opportunity compliance statement form filled out by Penn’s law school’s affirmative action officer and the dean in April 1987. The form described the extensive efforts the school made to find a black, Hispanic, Asian, or American Indian candidate for the commercial law position Warren had landed.

The document, which was shared with the Globe by Stephen Burbank, a law professor at Penn who kept it for three decades in a box with other personnel files, concludes that Warren was the best for the job despite being, as they put it, “white.” Burbank was, at the time, a member of the appointments committee and on a subcommittee charged with reviewing all minority prospects."

"The form includes a written defense for the decision. “The members of the appointments committee, in discussing the appointment of Elizabeth Warren with external referees, specifically asked whether there were any minority candidates of equal or better stature,” according to a paragraph on the form. “None of the persons indicated that there was an equal or better minority candidate.”

"One area that 30 of the 31 professors interviewed by the Globe agreed on: There was no talk about her Native American claims during the meetings over her appointment. One professor emeritus, Lloyd Weinreb, said he believes her Native American ancestry was discussed. But, in an e-mail he questioned his own recollection: “I am not sure enough for you to rely on me,” he wrote.

Perhaps most telling was the role of Randall Kennedy, a law professor who was on the Harvard appointments committee at the time, and was in charge of recruiting minority candidates.

“She was not on the radar screen at all in terms of a racial minority hire,” Kennedy told the Globe. “It was just not an issue. I can’t remember anybody ever mentioning her in this context.”

Warren’s personnel file from Harvard shows that her ethnic status was first marked in the Harvard human resources system as Native American in November 1995. That’s more than four months after she started her position, and two years and nine months after she was offered the job.

“It tells me that we did not know. Or nobody had told us,” said Upson, who reviewed the forms at a Cambridge coffee shop."

https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2018/09/01/did-claiming-native-american-heritage-actually-help-elizabeth-warren-get-ahead-but-complicated/wUZZcrKKEOUv5Spnb7IO0K/story.html
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[Insert Republican racist joke.]
 
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