sailordeac
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Wrong. You're just thinking like a schiffhead.
you don’t think Trump voters are working class? What is it that you think Trump voters do for a living exactly?
Ignoring the rest of this and conceding a point I'm not sure I agree with (popular sentiment prefers incremental change to M4A), what does incremental change include? Just bring the public option back?
The hard part is that you're playing ball against people staking out a position so far to the right that when you make incremental change, it's so easily rolled back and leaves people vulnerable all over again.
I like a progressive pragmatism that tries to help the highest number of people the most with low-hanging fruit. And I liked the approaches around enfranchisement and poverty reduction you mentioned above. Is there a candidate you think is representing these positions best at the moment?
It seems to me that Bernie takes the best moral position, Warren takes the most pragmatic approach, and most of the rest aren't really very interested in progressive change.
Dems have it all figured out. First, they will impeach Trump for trying to investigate the crimes they committed under Obama, then they will nominate Quid Pro Joe for President. Good plan. Success is certain.
This is gonna be a real Schiffshow.
you don’t think Trump voters are working class? What is it that you think Trump voters do for a living exactly?
Trump only beat Clinton with voters over $50k. Hillary won by double digits in people making under $30k and $31-$49k. His base is largely in the upper-middle class to rich vote. He did win the rural vote but he also beat Clinton in the suburbs.
lol remember when pete asked the UAW strikers how much they had in the strike fund
Speaking of Warren, check her plan to empower workers/labor, just dropped. Lots of great stuff there, including sectoral bargaining. Let's go!
Empowering American Workers and Raising Wages
dude seems like the “scab-type”
dude seems like the “scab-type”
Similarly Warren leads the Vegas field:
Warren (Even)
Biden (+350)
Yang (+1000)
Pete (+1000)
Bernie (+1200)
Democrats are -120 to win 2020 compared to GOP -110. Donald still has best individual odds to win (makes sense given he has no primary)
Based on percentages like 50 to 48% and 49 to 48%? Those numbers indicate to me that both parties have bases that go across the income stratas with the dems leaning lower income to a small extentTrump only beat Clinton with voters over $50k. Hillary won by double digits in people making under $30k and $31-$49k. His base is largely in the upper-middle class to rich vote. He did win the rural vote but he also beat Clinton in the suburbs.