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2020 Presidential Election: Biden v. Trump

"I think this guy is lying to me because he told me 1 thing and I heard him say the opposite thing to someone else"

WHY ARE YOU SO HARD TO PLEASE??!!
how about you stop being reflexively defensive and just comment on my criticism.
 
JuiceCrewAllStar said:
Biden told the New Yorker he “had to be sure that Bernie was serious, that he wasn’t going to make this an ideological jihad”.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/24/joe-biden-bernie-sanders-policy-goals-barack-obama


I fully reject the idea that progressives have to just accept Biden and not make him earn their vote
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myDeaconmyhand said:
There's a huge shitcloud around Biden coming from all angles one moment he's trying to be the moderate candidate of swing voters, the next he's trying to be the most progressive candidate ever. The end result is that his campaign just looks deceitful. You try to please everybody and you're not going to please anyone. Pick a fucking lane and live with the consequences.
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DistrictDeacon said:
The fact that progressives have to be convinced to vote for Biden tells me all I need to know about their collective intelligence.
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Chefs kiss
 
I guess I've kinda missed the boat on how anyone could not be in favor of Biden too regardless of affiliation on the left. I'd describe myself as a progressive with a healthy mix of left-wing views. Bernie and Warren were my top two choices and I think the Democrats are essentially a centrist party (but also think this is the structural outcome of our two party political system) but never once did I hesitate on either voting for Clinton or Biden during the general election. Literally never once occurred to me.
 
WFU03 said:
Can someone explain something to me? How is it that so many Americans think we’re so close to becoming a soviet style socialist state?

If the economic spectrum were a football field and one end zone was state economic control of everything and the other was pure capitalism with no government regulation, we’re currently at, say, the 20 yard line on the capitalism end. Countries like Norway are at the 45. Even implementing the ideas of the most extreme leftists in the US political space would only move us to the 35 or 40.

So why the chatter like we’re on the Soviet 20 heading for the end zone? Do people actually believe it or is it just scare rhetoric?
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Yeah I've wondered about this as well. The rhetoric has worked because people are sheep. That said no intelligent observer can truly believe we're anywhere close to any kind of a socialist state if they have any inkling of our economic and political system. Of course most spouting this nonsense probably can't even identify three real aspects of a socialist economy and just use it as a catch-all for more liberal policies they don't agree with.
 
For some people, “better” includes policies that may not be perfect but getting a seat at the table and defeating fascism.

For other people, “better” includes being able to say “Bernie would have won” for four more years and increasing attendance at Resistance meetings while things get worse.

Then some split the difference and actively sow discontent by giving every reason not to vote while exclaiming “but I did vote.” They want the right to claim either depending on the outcome.
 
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ChrisL, you can be as snarky and sarcastic as you want, but this is always going to be the problem with your *big tent* party - the party can't serve two masters, and pretending to do convinces no one. Just this past week One of Bidens economic advisors, Ted Kaufman, already said Biden's platform would be extremely limited by the deficit. Before that there were various sources saying that Biden wouldn't be pushing for a public option in his first year, and might not support it at all based on opposition from the healthninsurance industry *THEN* you have the Rahm Emmanuel opinion from the NYT, and subsequent interviews where he laid out his projection for Bidens Presidency.
 
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It’s funny how MDMH reads that as a crystal ball instead of people going public to try to sway opinion.
 
PhDeac said:
For some people, “better” includes policies that may not be perfect but getting a seat at the table and defeating fascism.

For other people, “better” includes being able to say “Bernie would have won” for four more years and increasing attendance at Resistance meetings while things get worse.
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All I posted about was very specific complaint that Bidens campaign was sending out opposing messages, and all you fucking do is lean on this Biden vs Trump argument. The election is on November 3rd, im not talking about the goddamn election.
 
PhDeac said:
I don’t want to exhaust you. Take a break.
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i'm going to keep making valid criticisms of Bidens campaign, i'd love for you to address them like a reasonable adult, but either way I won't stop.
 
myDeaconmyhand said:
i'm going to keep making valid criticisms of Bidens campaign, i'd love for you to address them like a reasonable adult, but either way I won't stop.
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Give me an example of how I could address your valid criticism like a “reasonable adult.”
 
Honestly until we know what the composition of the Senate is going to be hyper obsessing over slight adjustments in Biden's policy one way or another really doesn't mean jack shit.
 
PhDeac said:
Give me an example of how I could address your valid criticism like a “reasonable adult.”
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well for one, you could stop immediately responding to my Biden criticisms as if they directly corresponded to my vote. Secondly, you could cut it with this bullshit argument about me expecting "perfection" or "purity". I never expected anyone to be "pure" as if there were such a thing. I've been very clear about my political objections to candidates, and the candidates I prefer aren't perfect by any means.

Finally, and most definitely, I would really appreciate it if you would cut it out with these immature, asshole-ish references to Bernie Sanders everytime I make a criticism of the party that you dont like. I've posted many times about Sanders weaknesses and the failures of his campaign. The fact that I dont like Biden has dick-all to do with Bernie.
 
ChrisL68 said:
Honestly until we know what the composition of the Senate is going to be hyper obsessing over slight adjustments in Biden's policy one way or another really doesn't mean jack shit.
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What policy? There is no policy yet. The probable truth is his campaign is very likely sending out reassurances to conservatives and progressives, and that makes people like me, who already didn't trust him, even more distrusting. Perhaps thats just a part of "playing politics" but I dont appreciate it
 
seems like if you're genuinely concerned with another Trump term, you're probably better served with interacting with sports board posters who will happily continue to post there without having their views confronted instead of three or four aggressive progressive voters on the tunnels.
 
TenaciousKory said:
Human beings are primarily emotional/narrative-driven creatures and skill in logic/argumentation is not a default or a given even though post-enlightenment discourse loves to structure itself around around the latter as an ideal. People are really fucking bad at argument - even those who study argumentation struggle with it. Also reality is largely constructed, so if we're defaulting to emotional/narrative-driven constructions of reality then some people are going to view the above as gospel, depending on the context of their communicative practices (who, what they're talking about; the symbolic economy they operate in).

Every time I see someone insist on the Reality (first-order reality) of a political situation and then get frustrated when their uncle on Facebook rejects this I die a little inside because they're missing the point.
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Also keep in mind that when voters like that do reason, they're typically doing so deductively from some ideograph like <LIBERTY> or <FREEDOM> and so really all the logic typically descends from love of country.

Just look at the rhetoric on display at tonight's RNC.

EDIT: Though to be fair that's largely true of both parties, so it's likely more of an argument of magnitude.
 
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