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$25 Billion down the drain

There was no other rational expected outcome for the Iraq War other than to totally destabilize Iraq and the entire region. Anyone with half a brain knew this immoral war would also greatly increase the strength of Iran.
 
dick cheney(sp?) said as much during the first gulf war, he only changed his mind when he could get no bid contracts for Halliburton. Seriously a soulless, wretched man.
 
There was no other rational expected outcome for the Iraq War other than to totally destabilize Iraq and the entire region. Anyone with half a brain knew this immoral war would also greatly increase the strength of Iran.

So which half of Hillary's brain voted for the war?
 
So which half of Hillary's brain voted for the war?

She was lied to and made the mistake of believing that no POTUS would intentionally lie to start a war of choice that would lead to the deaths of thousands of American heroes.

You always run away from the facts that Bush and his immoral cabal even lied to one of their own, Colin Powell, after they and our allies knew for a fact that the intel Powell showed to the UN was lies.

You give them a pass for sending our innocent young men and women to their deaths to promote their political careers and for the benefit of companies that supported them.

We know for a fact the US Senate was lied to, yet you can't admit it. There is no wiggle room. The NIE was BS and Bush and his cabal knew it.

Hillary made a mistake, but she's not the one who created the lies. She's not the one who sent a wave of people to national radio, TV and newspapers to spread lies buttressed by false scare tactics.

You want to blame her for what W did, but not W or Cheney or Rumsfeld or Feith or Rice or Tenet.

You can try to deflect the blame all you want, but history has shown definitively that W and his cabal bear the blame.
 
If you think Hillary is above lying to get rich and powerful you are not thinking.

If you think she'll US soldiers to die when she knows she's lying, you are mistaken. It takes a real type of evil to do this.

If she does, I will say the same thing about her.
 
Pull back from the cliff before you stroke out dude.

I'm guessing you're one of those nut cases who thinks FDR knew about the Jap's intentions and let Pearl Harbor happen.

Who knew BKF is actually Oliver Stone.
 
If you think she'll US soldiers to die when she knows she's lying, you are mistaken. It takes a real type of evil to do this.

If she does, I will say the same thing about her.

I don't think W intentionally sent youngsters to die for nothing.
 
If you think she'll US soldiers to die when she knows she's lying, you are mistaken. It takes a real type of evil to do this.

If she does, I will say the same thing about her.

I don't think W intentionally sent youngsters to die for nothing.

Technically, RJ doesn't "think" that either, but he passionately needs to believe it because it is the only way he can blame Hillary's vote on somebody else.
 
I don't think W intentionally sent youngsters to die for nothing.

It was to avenge his daddy and to enrich his buddies. There are multiple books showing that from Day One of his Administration that he was looking for an excuse to invade Iraq.

He knowingly used lies to start a war that never needed to be fought and would end badly.

Other than Buchanan's pussying around about slavery, the Iraq War was the second worst thing any POTUS has ever done. There was no justification and to add insult to the immorality, W bent over back over backwards to justify his systemic use of torture.

In addition to lying to start the war, he was a continuing war criminal.
 
So al Qaeda was like fuck you ISIS you are too radical, and now ISIS controls swaths of Syria and northern Iraq as well as US military equipment left behind by US trained Iraqi forces and a half a billion in cash left in Iraqi banks. Cool
 
Clinton, Kerry & the other Democrats in the Senate made a mistake by voting to give Bush power to initiate military action....but a rational person should understand how it happened:

1) After 9/11, the mood of the nation was angry and itching for retaliation.

2) Bush/Cheney & the NeoCons cynically played upon the tragedy of 9/11 and used manipulated evidence and outright lies to place incredible political pressure...considering the 9/11 attack...on Congress to go along with their long-planned invasion of Iraq....which, by the way, had nothing whatsoever to do with the 9/11 attacks.

3) To seal the deal, Bush promised that he would not initiate military action against Iraq without three things in place: 1) A clearly defined mission; 2) The support of our worldwide allies; and 3) A clearly defined exit plan. Ultimately, he ended up taking military action without fulfilloing any of those three promises. The purpose of the mission changed several times, as each purpose was debunked. The flimsy group of nations supporting us was a joke. Other than England, virtually no major ally endorsed our action. Indeed, Bush said he would go to the UN to get a vote supporting military action against Iraq. At a nationally televised press conference he was asked if he would ask for that vote "no matter what"....and (stupidly...showing his lack of political intelligence) he clearly reaffirmed that he would ask for that vote "no matter what...that it was time for everyone to "show their cards". (This can be easily found on YouTube if anyone wants to watch him say that again.) Then, later, when his handlers finally got him to shut up and explain that he didn't have the votes there and, therefore, should never have promised to ask for that vote "no matter what" on national television....he simply walked away from his promise. And, finally, there was obviously not only no "well defined exit plan", but no exit plan at all.

So the Senators who voted to authorize military action were completely lied to about the circumstances under which that authority would be exercised....and cynically squeezed as a result of the unrelated 9/11 tragedy.

It takes a total bunch of lying bastard SOBs to do something like that...particularly using 9/11 the way they did....but that's exactly what Bush, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Perle and all those other NeoCons were/are. And this nation will be paying for that for years & years to come.

And, as I said, if Katherine Harris had not stolen the 2000 election by illegally purging 57,000 people from the Florida voter registration rolls, the war in Iraq would ever have happened. Hell, 9/11 might not even have happened. We still don't know what Bush & Cheney knew about 9/11 in the months leading up to that attack, because neither of them would agree to testify about it. Maybe if one of them got a blow job someone would force them to testify........

There are a few things that we do know about the 9/11 attacks:

1) The two men who benefitted the most politically by the attacks were Osama bin Laden & George W Bush.
2) George W Bush & his NeoCon cronies were itching at the bit to attack Iraq.
3) There is no way that Bush/Cheney & the NeoCons could have ever put enough pressure on Congress & the American People to attack Iraq if 9/11 had never happened.
4) Bush was explicitly warned that Osama bin Laden was determined to strike the U.S.....possibly using airplanes as weapons...in a PDB from his own National Security Advisor on August 6th....more than a month before the attacks took place.
5) George W Bush & Dick Cheney have steadfastly refused to testify...under oath or even not under oath...regarding what they knew about a possible 9/11 attack during the months preceding it.

If Bush & Cheney have nothing to hide, why won't they testify? More importantly, why aren't they being forced to testify? It seems to me that if you can force a sitting president to testify about his personal sex life, you should be able to force an former president to testify about the worst attack on the nation's mainland in its entire history....which took place on his watch....after he was warned about just such an attack by his own National Security Advisor more than a month before it occurred..

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It was to avenge his daddy and to enrich his buddies. There are multiple books showing that from Day One of his Administration that he was looking for an excuse to invade Iraq.

He knowingly used lies to start a war that never needed to be fought and would end badly.

Other than Buchanan's pussying around about slavery, the Iraq War was the second worst thing any POTUS has ever done. There was no justification and to add insult to the immorality, W bent over back over backwards to justify his systemic use of torture.

In addition to lying to start the war, he was a continuing war criminal.
How many were tortured?
 
It was to avenge his daddy and to enrich his buddies. There are multiple books showing that from Day One of his Administration that he was looking for an excuse to invade Iraq.

He knowingly used lies to start a war that never needed to be fought and would end badly.

Other than Buchanan's pussying around about slavery, the Iraq War was the second worst thing any POTUS has ever done. There was no justification and to add insult to the immorality, W bent over back over backwards to justify his systemic use of torture.

In addition to lying to start the war, he was a continuing war criminal.

The actions listed above may very well be true, but I think W convinced himself that all this was in the best interest of the country. I hate to ascribe evil intent to politicians just because the outcomes are bad. The outcomes are just about always bad. W should not have had the power to start a war all by himself.
 
Wtf is this $25 billion bullshit in the OP. It's literally trillions of dollars tied to the Iraq war
 
I don't doubt that W wanted Hussein out of power and that he was looking for solid evidence to justify an invasion. I also don't doubt that maybe that desire led to him putting too much faith into suspect evidence.

But it's ludicrous to think that he was sitting there relishing the fact that he was going to send US troops to fight and die and was willing to lie to accomplish that goal.
 
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