Hence why I suggest merely blocking Moon if you don't want to be spammed rather than banning or keeping him to a thread. IDC if people click his links.
Dudes, there's nothing fucking white supremacist about an article about the weather in NOLA. You're fucking cartoon characters.
“There’s good weather reports on both sides.”
“There’s good weather reports on both sides.”
A huge issue with the new movement to see all actions through the present-day lens of morality is that we run into gigantic censorship issues. There's no reasonable basis to invalidate someone's opinion on the weather, just because they hold currently "bad" moral views.
You're bananas, dude. There's no possible way to meaningfully surf the internet (whatever that means) and be sensitive to the level that you guys are trying to be. Just because someone is a white-supremacist, an atheist hater, a bigot, or a chili molester, doesn't invalidate their opinion on the weather, or bologna sandwiches, or whatever else that isn't those bad things.
Are they "bad" people? Yes, probably. Is the idea of Nazi-ism bad? Fuck yes. Absolutely. Are all self-identified Nazi's bad people? Probably not. They certainly have bad things about them (hopefully Nazism is the worst), but I have bad things about me too - and hopefully I'm not defined solely by those things.
Once you say you are Nazi, you are de facto a bad person. You are, by definition, a racist, anti-Semite, homophobe and more. Sorry, if the core of your beliefs is evil and repugnant, you are absolutely and completely a bad person.
A huge issue with the new movement to see all actions through the present-day lens of morality is that we run into gigantic censorship issues. There's no reasonable basis to invalidate someone's opinion on the weather, just because they hold currently "bad" moral views. Right now, I'm a huge advocate (personally and professionally) for minorities rights and protection, because I think (based on the norms that I've experienced) that's a good thing.
Maybe in our Nazi future, I'll be seen as literally Satan because of my work. So be it - but I would hope that those future people who believe that my work to help minorities is horrific would also look to other areas of my life (supporting youth activities like Scouting BSA, soccer, and ALS research, etc.) and say, "well, that GTB fella, he was a n*****-lover, but he did some things that were good, too."
I love George Washington for the good things he has done. I don't love that he had slaves. But I have to look at his life in context.
Also, assuming all Nazis in 2019 are gay is pretty prejudiced, RJ. Some of those proud boy types seem pretty fucking gay with their matching outfits and coiffed hair and such.
Are all self-identified Nazi's bad people? Probably not. They certainly have bad things about them (hopefully Nazism is the worst), but I have bad things about me too - and hopefully I'm not defined solely by those things.
Oh good God. "Sure, he's a big Nazi, but he also grows the best tomatoes in the neighborhood!"
I'd love to know what's bad about you that compares to being a self-identified Nazi.
He explained it. He helps minorities. That makes him as bad as a Nazi to some people.
He explained it. He helps minorities. That makes him as bad as a Nazi to some people.
We individually don't get to define what is "good" or "bad" in society.
I've met people who think I'm a fucking monster after I tell them what I do. "How could you defend those people?" "You're going to go to hell for helping that person." "How can you do that knowing what they have done?" These condemning folks are usually otherwise perfectly pleasant to be with.
What is "good" and "bad" is so subjective beyond a few things. Rape, murder, and robbery are all pretty cut and dry for the most part, but once you get beyond those acts, things get squishy based on the facts. I've stood next to a man who beat an old woman near to death after going on a string of robberies, one of the first things he said in open court was, "your honor, I'm a good person." I didn't agree with what he said, but I'm sensitive to that (maybe overly so). I try to see the good in people and understand that their "bad" doesn't have to define who they are.
Willingly adhering to Nazi philosophy is bad. But you're going to have a person behind that ideology. That person is going to have motivations and reasons for doing what they do.
Yes, people like David Duke are objectively bad - they generate pain and despair that outweighs any good they could possibly marshal. Likewise, people like Dave Ramsey are objectively good - the good that he has done for Americans outweighs any non-Epstein-esq bad he has done. Are there people who are irredeemable? Yes, I think so - but they constitute such a small fraction of "bad" people that it almost doesn't merit discussion.
In my view, when we take a group of people, like the people at the Charlottesville Rally, and say that all the people there are evil - we close ourselves off to bringing back some of those "evil" people back into the fold of society. I'm confident that a number of people who were at that rally have incredible potential to eliminate that "bad" in their life and come away with value. Maybe so much so that they help bring others away from that path.
I've never had the experience where condemning and hating someone has changed their walk in life. And as to Shoosh's tomato Nazi, I would view those tomatoes as a great path to grow that person away from bigotry and hate.