DistrictDeacon
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Men and Women are separated into different divisions in sports for a reason, dude.
So that the men can spend all game beating each other up?
Men and Women are separated into different divisions in sports for a reason, dude.
"Are you one of those people who thinks that women have a more-than-adequate shake when it comes to careers and leadership opportunities." Again, what are you talking about? You keep attributing things to me that I have not said and do not believe. Stop it.
Why does "teaching inner strength and integrity, training future leaders" absolutely require the presence of the opposite sex in every instance, 24/7/365, no matter what, or else we cannot "train our kids to be better people"? Seriously? What does anything you just said have to do with this issue?
There is absolutely no shortage of exposure to the opposite sex for boys and girls in 21st Century American society. Boys and girls grow up in co-ed households, go to school co-ed, play sports in many instances co-ed, belong to other co-ed clubs and organizations, go to church co-ed, and on, on and on. I strongly believe that there is still a place for single-sex organizations/environments, and they can and do provide a positive experience in ways that a co-ed environment cannot, just as co-ed environments can provide positive experiences in ways that a single-sex environment/organization cannot.
Moreover, what does that have to do with whether or not single-sex organization for youth can be a positive thing?
i actually disagree that there are numerous opportunities like the one that scouting offers for small groups to bond and grow together. sports are segregated extremely early. Beyond sports, girls are clearly taught that their version of any activity is inherently inferior, almost without exception. Just look at the language here, we're cordoning boys off because girls are a distraction? You are teaching the boys girls are a distraction by default.
we're still all breathless in anticipation for the example where the presence of a female prevented a male from learning how to fish and/or control his impulses.
Star Scout here, I never "roughhoused."
Could have gone Eagle, but I quit the troop because all the other boys were shitheads and didn't pull their weight. If a girl is motivated enough to join the Boy Scouts then I'm all for it.
I've given specific examples that have yet to be addressed by you or Numbers. Kindly eat a dick, friend.
The underlying theory of course to all these posts is that there is a benefit for being (and becoming) a “man” instead of a “woman” and that there is inherent value to this distinction.
I don’t think this distinction serves much.
ah, the underlying theme is "girls can't hack it"
We aren't talking about the benefit of becoming a woman because we are talking about the boy scouts and what it offers uniquely to boys. We raise boys and girls differently in this culture and every culture. Nobody is saying we need to go back to the 1820s and raise them all to be housewives. That doesn't mean that men and women are physically alike and should be handled the same way. There is more inherent value in making that distinction than in pretending to live in a world where such a distinction doesn't or shouldn't exist.
Starting next year, young girls can join Cub Scout units, known as dens. Local scouting organizations can choose to have dens for girls and dens for boys. "Cub Scout dens will be single-gender — all boys or all girls," the organization said in a statement.
A separate program for older girls will be available in 2019, the Boy Scouts said, enabling them to earn the rank of Eagle Scout.
We aren't talking about the benefit of becoming a woman because we are talking about the boy scouts and what it offers uniquely to boys. We raise boys and girls differently in this culture and every culture. Nobody is saying we need to go back to the 1820s and raise them all to be housewives. That doesn't mean that men and women are physically alike and should be handled the same way. There is more inherent value in making that distinction than in pretending to live in a world where such a distinction doesn't or shouldn't exist.
in addition to the, unanswered in any meaningful way, question above i'd like to know what scout activities healthy and active girls could not manage? camping? hiking? jogging? canoeing? adolescent girls often have similar physical profiles. hit their teens and the physical differences start kicking in so they can't run any more? sure maybe they are not as fast on average but does not mean they can't do the activities.
i for one am tired of having to have conversations with my daughter about why she hears and is told misogynistic things about what she can and can't do, like etc. have you tried buying girls cloths? pink. purple. check. blue? not easy. red. can be tough. uggs? yep and f that. yoga pants for 6 and 7 year olds? you got it. daisy dukes? anywhere you go.
maybe treating girls and boys a little more alike would end some of the misogyny, glass ceiling bs, bullying, assault, stereotyping that plagues our society and gives us people like mike pence who can't trust himself to be alone with a woman.
the boy scouts may be late to the party. they may be doing it for the wrong reason (enrollment). but maybe it starts doing some good for raising our boys and girls in this country that has, for too long, been an old white guy party. no one else is allowed without their permission because they don't want to lose their power and privilege.
What the deuce does physical anything have to do with this discussion? It's scouting. Not wrestling. Pretty sure you can learn how to be a civic leader and member of your community regardless of whether you've got an innie or an outie.