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Congress Members choosing to donate or not accept paychecks during shutdown

bobknightfan said:
LOL. Love to see their tax return, but it's probably put away somewhere with Romney's. Those people have it tough, financially. Good thing that all those people she's voted to put out of work don't need their paychecks like she and her surgeon husband do.
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What about dems keeping their checks? Greedy bastards
 
BeachBumDeac said:
So that link said nothing about the President being exempt. So I'll give you this one.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...ectory-of-congresss-obamacare-exemption-myth/
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Guess who added the amendment to force Congress to be bound by the President's law (and guess who tried to leave it out)? You won't, so let me tell you:

Currently, the government pays nearly 75 percent of these premiums. The government’s contributions are in jeopardy due to a controversial Republican amendment to the Affordable Care Act, which says that by 2014, lawmakers and their staff must be covered by plans “created” by the law or “offered through an exchange.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/07/obama-hill-health-care-dispute-95017.html#ixzz2gicoJDsO

Sorry, but you don't get credit for what you tried to get away with, but got caught.

I assume you'll be right along to credit the Republicans for intervening to close the intended loophole. Standing by.
 
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jhmd2000 said:
Guess who added the amendment to force Congress to be bound by the President's law (and guess who tried to leave it out)? You won't, so let me tell you:

Currently, the government pays nearly 75 percent of these premiums. The government’s contributions are in jeopardy due to a controversial Republican amendment to the Affordable Care Act, which says that by 2014, lawmakers and their staff must be covered by plans “created” by the law or “offered through an exchange.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/07/obama-hill-health-care-dispute-95017.html#ixzz2gicoJDsO

Sorry, but you don't get credit for what you tried to get away with, but got caught.

I assume you'll be right along to credit the Republicans for intervening to close the intended loophole. Standing by.
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LOL...right.

Congressional staff were already "bound" by the ACA before the Republican amendment, silly. The ACA most certainly applied to them before the amendment. They, just as all other Americans with employer-sponsored insurance would've (under the ACA you see, without any special "loophole") continued to receive insurance through their employer. Now, perhaps with an eye towards the "optics" the Republican amendment, which actually created an EXEMPTION for congress/staffers FROM the usual/normal provisions/requirements of the ACA was proposed and passed. The amendment forced them, unlike all others with employer-sponsored insurance, off of their existing plan and to purchase insurance through the exchanges. Only it was done sloppily in a way that seemed to place the congress/staffers in jeopardy of losing the employer contribution to the cost of their insurance. That would've created not only an exception but a blatantly punitive one. Fortunately it has been worked out so they will not be so penalized by the Republican amendment.

Now, while the sequence of events and details might seem confusing, claims by reporters or politician of "congressional exemption" are careless or deceitful and despicable, IMO. Here's an article I posted somewhere else in these discussions: Fact Checker: Is Congress exempted from federal health care law? I think all the events relevant to this concern are outlined in this piece.

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The verdict:

While there are legitimate concerns about President Obama’s health care law — much of which kicks into gear Oct. 1 — this isn’t one.

Critics of Obamacare want it both ways. When Congress and its staff were treated like workers for any other large employer, the president’s health care plan was deemed faulty because Congress didn’t have to use the plan. So then after a Republican amendment forced Congress to participate, critics still want to call it faulty because … well, because of a flat-out falsehood that Congress really is still exempt.

This is the type of claim that merits the lowest truthmeter rating, signifying willful or malicious disregard for the truth.
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bobknightfan said:
The Democrats aren't the ones who are shutting down the government and putting ordinary working people out of work.
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I think we can agree to disagree about this last bit. There are a lot of formerly full time workers who became 29ers that might have a strong counterargument.
 
bobknightfan said:
Wonder how much longer it's going to be before people like the big guns from the Chamber of Commerce get on the phone to their Republican congressmen and tell them to get their shit in order and put those Tea Party crazies in their place....that they are playing with dynamite here?
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http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-10-03/republicans-are-no-longer-the-party-of-business?campaign_id=yhoo

"Asked by the Associated Press if he had heard business groups express alarm about the economic impact of a shutdown, Republican Representative Dana Rohrabacher of California replied, 'No. And it wouldn’t make any difference if I did.'"
 
jhmd2000 said:
Guess who added the amendment to force Congress to be bound by the President's law (and guess who tried to leave it out)? You won't, so let me tell you:

Currently, the government pays nearly 75 percent of these premiums. The government’s contributions are in jeopardy due to a controversial Republican amendment to the Affordable Care Act, which says that by 2014, lawmakers and their staff must be covered by plans “created” by the law or “offered through an exchange.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/07/obama-hill-health-care-dispute-95017.html#ixzz2gicoJDsO

Sorry, but you don't get credit for what you tried to get away with, but got caught.

I assume you'll be right along to credit the Republicans for intervening to close the intended loophole. Standing by.
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How was it a loophole if it treated Congress and their aides exactly the same as every other employed American? If they get healthcare through their employer, they don't have to be on the exchange. This Republican amendment CREATED a loophole that put Congress and their aides into a special class, separate from every other employed American. It made them HAVE to get healthcare from an ACA plan. That is different from every single other American who is able to get health insurance from their employer.

I know you're not stupid enough to believe the crap you post, so just use some fucking common sense.
 
I’d rather they changed the law so that their salaries are part of the cuts in the event of a shutdown. Let them all feel the crunch of their own refusal to do their jobs, rather than allowing them the opportunity for another publicity stunt. (Though I’m sure some are genuine. Damn, when did I get so cynical.)
 
avalon said:
I’d rather they changed the law so that their salaries are part of the cuts in the event of a shutdown. Let them all feel the crunch of their own refusal to do their jobs, rather than allowing them the opportunity for another publicity stunt. (Though I’m sure some are genuine. Damn, when did I get so cynical.)
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That's tempting. Then FoxNews could trumpet how obviously unnecessary are our lawmakers.
 
Any rep grandstanding about rejecting their pay is lying. Congressmen can't unilaterally adjust their pay upward or downward by law. They'll still receive every penny after a deal is reached. Those saying they will donate their salaries to charity know that that won't ever be fact-checked on the issue.
 
ArlingtonDeac said:
Any rep grandstanding about rejecting their pay is lying. Congressmen can't unilaterally adjust their pay upward or downward by law. They'll still receive every penny after a deal is reached. Those saying they will donate their salaries to charity know that that won't ever be fact-checked on the issue.
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Pittinger doesn't need the money. Very few of them do. Most politicians are pretty well off and donate generously. Well, most politicians not named Joe Biden.
 
WGAF? What a fucking clown show. I am supposed to be impressed by this "gesture?" Those reps can suck a fart out of my ass.
 
The need to work full time has decreased if people can work part time and still get affordable health care. I'm curious to see how the American work force uses those 11 hours.
 
PhDeac said:
I'm curious to see how the American work force uses those 11 hours.
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