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Coronavirus !!! Very Political Thread !!!

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ConnorEl said:
Amazing how disruptive are those folks willing to be just to troll Trump!
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The ivory tower liberal elites just want to make Trump look bad. How dare they politicize this!!!
 
BarcaDeac said:
we had to take our infant to the ER yesterday (he's fine thankfully) and it was a ghost town
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Went to urgent care myself this weekend for an allergic reaction and it was empty, and then the follow up with my PCP Monday AM was also empty.
 
WRS said:
I was reading the novel Station Eleven recently and the descriptions from that guy in Italy are eerily similar. Plot is some flu variant that originates in the country of Georgia and quickly spreads through people on planes, traveling for business, etc. Hospitals quickly overwhelmed with healthcare workers staffed around the clock and quickly becoming sick or dying. Flu ends up wiping out 99% of the population and the story largely centers around the post-flu world. Obviously we aren’t looking at something like that but this is a way too real preview of exactly how something like that could happen.
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You're forgetting the important part, where my cultural value to post-apocalyptic, isolated villages will skyrocket
 
tiltdeac said:
What's going on in Italy is legit scary. And this is a wealthy area, with more doctors and more hospital beds per capita than we have.

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Sad for Italy. Here is why this will not happen in the US, in facts:
1) 22% of Italy is 65+ years old, compared with 16% in the U.S. This coronavirus is far more problematic for the elderly
2) 24% of Italians smoke, compared with 17% of Americans. This coronavirus attacks weaknesses in the respiratory system caused by smoking
3) Smokers cough. Coughing causes particle spread, resulting in higher r-naught scores (more viral)
3) Italians are social and affectionate - more kissing, hugging and touching. Again, higher r-naught.
4) The coronavirus circulated in Italy through community spread for multiple weeks before detection, which given #3 above, caused significant community spread. The first case in the U.S. was detected in 4 days - the U.S. patient put a mask on prior to interacting with anyone. Based on genetic findings, only one other person contracted the virus from the first case patient.
5) The spread in Italy occurred weeks before the recent community spread in the U.S. As we get out of the winter months, mother nature will help us in several ways. First, UV light exposure increases - UV stops germs from multiplying/spreading. Second, humidity increases - humid conditions force particles from dropping and not floating around, reducing virality. Humidity is also helpful for mucus production - more mucus = fewer particles ingested. Third, ozone increases - like, UV, ozone is proven to kill the germs that cause infection.
6) Only 59% of Italians are active on social media, compared with 79% in the U.S. If you follow social media, you believe the coronavirus will kill all of us - that's the bad news. The good news is that for many fear triggers caution, heightened levels of preparedness. So while our health system may not be as prepared, the average American is more aware and cautious.

Note: the Italian healthcare system is stronger than ours by most accounts, so they are better equipped to handle an outbreak. My point is that it's very unlikely to get as bad in the U.S.
 
Deaconwallst said:
Sad for Italy. Here is why this will not happen in the US, in facts:
1) 22% of Italy is 65+ years old, compared with 16% in the U.S. This coronavirus is far more problematic for the elderly
2) 24% of Italians smoke, compared with 17% of Americans. This coronavirus attacks weaknesses in the respiratory system caused by smoking
3) Smokers cough. Coughing causes particle spread, resulting in higher r-naught scores (more viral)
3) Italians are social and affectionate - more kissing, hugging and touching. Again, higher r-naught.
4) The coronavirus circulated in Italy through community spread for multiple weeks before detection, which given #3 above, caused significant community spread. The first case in the U.S. was detected in 4 days - the U.S. patient put a mask on prior to interacting with anyone. Based on genetic findings, only one other person contracted the virus from the first case patient.
5) The spread in Italy occurred weeks before the recent community spread in the U.S. As we get out of the winter months, mother nature will help us in several ways. First, UV light exposure increases - UV stops germs from multiplying/spreading. Second, humidity increases - humid conditions force particles from dropping and not floating around, reducing virality. Humidity is also helpful for mucus production - more mucus = fewer particles ingested. Third, ozone increases - like, UV, ozone is proven to kill the germs that cause infection.
6) Only 59% of Italians are active on social media, compared with 79% in the U.S. If you follow social media, you believe the coronavirus will kill all of us - that's the bad news. The good news is that for many fear triggers caution, heightened levels of preparedness. So while our health system may not be as prepared, the average American is more aware and cautious.

Note: the Italian healthcare system is stronger than ours by most accounts, so they are better equipped to handle an outbreak. My point is that it's very unlikely to get as bad in the U.S.
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#s 1 and 2 are important risk adjustors - I'll take your word for their accuracy but they are important
#3 (both of them) make sense. #4 makes sense; however, U.S. testing has been very poor to date. We have no doubt a very large number of untested positive cases
#5 is the single biggest hope for the U.S., but according to Dr. Fauci, as of now it is still a hope, not a certainty

 
What's the risk of it coming back after the summer?
 
PhDeac said:
What's the risk of it coming back after the summer?
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I've read articles suggesting that COVID-19 will be a strain of seasonal flu from now on, which means that we better get the vaccine right

(but it seems that everyone is guessing here, obviously)
 
Friend just went to urgent care in Chicago with deep chest cough, cold, shortness of breath. They took a chest x-ray, did a couple tests and told him they couldn't rule out coronavirus but couldn't test him for it. Gave him antibiotics and said to come back if it got worse. Don't see how coronavirus doesn't get significantly worse in the US if this is the solution.
 
Deaconwallst said:
Sad for Italy. Here is why this will not happen in the US, in facts:

4) The coronavirus circulated in Italy through community spread for multiple weeks before detection, which given #3 above, caused significant community spread. The first case in the U.S. was detected in 4 days - the U.S. patient put a mask on prior to interacting with anyone. Based on genetic findings, only one other person contracted the virus from the first case patient.

Note: the Italian healthcare system is stronger than ours by most accounts, so they are better equipped to handle an outbreak. My point is that it's very unlikely to get as bad in the U.S.
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The US, in large part due to the inability to test, has had absolutely RAMPANT community spread for weeks now. There's no way it's less than Italy had and it's likely it's much more like Iran has had.

And the Italian healthcare system is much better prepared to handle this than the US. Italy has more doctors per person than almost any country in the world, and has considerably more hospital beds per person than the US does. There's also a very qualified and competent health administration in place with far more federal power than in the US (of note - even Italy's far right wing parties have backed all measures to fight this).

The US, if the warming weather doesn't save us, might end looking a lot more like Iran than Italy. That's fucking scary, because what's happened in Italy is truly awful.
 
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