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Dakota Access Pipeline

TownieDeac said:
We're back in the "fix problems in your own community" argument again, great. I'm out.
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I generally hate that line of thinking, but when you're arguing that a group should maintain sovereignty over their community, it is kind of on them. Similar to having the responsibility to maintain a structure or it will be condemned.

That being said I'm not really sure who I side with on this thing. Apparently it is not their land, however their drinking water could be impacted. But maybe it actually will not be? It is hard to figure out the facts.
 
ImTheCaptain said:
Plenty of ethinc enclaves exist int he US, have their own subcultures and continue to exist. I never said sell the soul and try to be a WASP. That seems to be the knee-jerk reaction to my questions here.

What are they gaining by maintaining the reservation system, other than nominal self determination?
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It's a knee jerk because it's been how the US has treated natives since the Dawes Act, dude.

From the "Friends of the Indians" who were missionaries from churches back East trying to get converts to Grant's "Peace Policy" that was essentially a sanction on the Sioux saying either sell us Black Hills or you get no govt. aid to Lone Wolf v Hitchcock (1903 ruling that Congress can abrogate treaties). It wasn't until the Indian New Deal that self-determination was re-established, and natives started getting some of their rights back as sovereign peoples. Hell, it took til 1990 to protect their religious right to their own burial practices.

Why the fuck would a culture of people who have been fucked so many times want to assimilate further, and what does it even mean to do so, other than relinquishing what little they have left (land claims)?
 
TownieDeac said:
It's a knee jerk because it's been how the US has treated natives since the Dawes Act, dude.

From the "Friends of the Indians" who were missionaries from churches back East trying to get converts to Grant's "Peace Policy" that was essentially a sanction on the Sioux saying either sell us Black Hills or you get no govt. aid to Lone Wolf v Hitchcock (1903 ruling that Congress can abrogate treaties). It wasn't until the Indian New Deal that self-determination was re-established, and natives started getting some of their rights back as sovereign peoples. Hell, it took til 1990 to protect their religious right to their own burial practices.

Why the fuck would a culture of people who have been fucked so many times want to assimilate further, and what does it even mean to do so, other than relinquishing what little they have left (land claims)?
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I don't know why and I don't know the how but holding on to those land claims isn't exactly making the lives of the tribal members appreciably better, for the most part.

If having self governance is the most important factor, OK, stick with it. I agree the US should honor its commitments; maybe that would result in better conditions. :noidea:
 
Land claims and their resulting settlements are what allow natives to build investment properties like, as ELC noted, casinos and also hotels and restaurants. They allow natives to sell and buy property like any citizen would want to in order to grow their wealth. They give natives a preferred tax status.
 
Well this is good news - http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...-possible-rerouting-of-dakota-access-pipeline

Obama: Army Corps Examining Possible Rerouting Of Dakota Access Pipeline

President Obama said Tuesday that the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers is examining possible alternate routes for the Dakota Access Pipeline.

Protesters have been occupying land along the current pipeline route near the Standing Rock Sioux Reservation in North Dakota. A federal judge has ruled that work on the pipeline can go forward, but the Army Corps and two other agencies said work would not go forward in an area particularly sensitive to the tribe until a review was completed.

"We're monitoring this closely and I think, as a general rule, my view is that there's a way for us to accommodate sacred lands of Native Americans," President Obama said in an interview with the news organization Now This.

The president continued:

"I think right now the Army Corps is examining whether there are ways to reroute this pipeline in a way. So we're going to let it play out for several more weeks and determine whether or not this can be resolved in a way that I think is properly attentive to the traditions of the first Americans."

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thank goodness he's still president

hillary's response on this has been absolutely awful thus far
 
TownieDeac said:
Well this is good news - http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...-possible-rerouting-of-dakota-access-pipeline

Obama: Army Corps Examining Possible Rerouting Of Dakota Access Pipeline

President Obama said Tuesday that the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers is examining possible alternate routes for the Dakota Access Pipeline.

Protesters have been occupying land along the current pipeline route near the Standing Rock Sioux Reservation in North Dakota. A federal judge has ruled that work on the pipeline can go forward, but the Army Corps and two other agencies said work would not go forward in an area particularly sensitive to the tribe until a review was completed.

"We're monitoring this closely and I think, as a general rule, my view is that there's a way for us to accommodate sacred lands of Native Americans," President Obama said in an interview with the news organization Now This.

The president continued:

"I think right now the Army Corps is examining whether there are ways to reroute this pipeline in a way. So we're going to let it play out for several more weeks and determine whether or not this can be resolved in a way that I think is properly attentive to the traditions of the first Americans."

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thank goodness he's still president

hillary's response on this has been absolutely awful thus far
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Prepare for a bob rant on LAW & ORDER !
 
It's so bizarre to read this thread while millions of people cheer for the Cleveland Baseball Team. Society is sick.
 
Army Corps of Engineers Says Pipeline Construction Can't Continue Without Tribe Input

The Army Corps of Engineers dealt a blow to the progress of the controversial Dakota Access Pipeline on Monday, saying in a letter that more analysis and discussion with the Standing Rock Sioux tribe is needed before construction can take place under the Missouri River.

The company behind the construction of the Dakota Access Pipeline, Energy Transfer Partners, needs an easement, or permission, from the Corps in order to drill under Lake Oahe — on the Missouri River — to finish the oil pipeline along its proposed route.
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But in the letter Monday, Army Corps Assistant Secretary of the Army Jo-Ellen Darcy asked for caution and for more tribal input, writing, "The Army is mindful of the history of the Great Sioux Nation's repeated dispossessions, including those to support water-resources projects. This history compels great caution and respect in considering the concerns that the Standing Rock Sioux Tribe has raised regarding the proposed crossing of Lake Oahe north of its reservation."

The "history" likely refers to the Army Corps' itself taking hundreds of thousands of acres of land from Native Americans when they built the Oahe Dam in the middle of the 20th Century.
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BREAKING: Army Corps halts Dakota Access Pipeline work, tells Standing Rock the current route for the pipeline will be denied.

Hey we got one right for once. Good stuff.
 
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I want to be happy about this, but it seems more like a two month breather for the protesters.
 
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