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@BSD_RaJohnston 19h
Manning is showing little understanding of what it takes to win on a consistent basis
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@BSD_RaJohnston 19h
Manning is showing little understanding of what it takes to win on a consistent basis
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@BSD_RaJohnston 19h
Manning is showing little understanding of what it takes to win on a consistent basis
That's Kenpom. They are #20 in RPI.
And Kenpom is designed precisely to gauge how good a team is at any present moment.
You regularly post your BSD articles (which have your real name), so it didn't cross my mind you'd care. As I said in PM, my apologies.It was a frustrating half and that was in a series of posts about poor substitution patterns throughout, which he does need to work on.
I admit that I make hot taeks during the course of the game instead of looking big picture. That's what being a fan is about, getting way too high or low during a specific game based on how your team is playing.
Thanks for deleting my real name though. Not sure why you thought it was alright to post that in the first place.
You regularly post your BSD articles (which has your real name), so it didn't cross my mind you'd care. As I said in PM, my apologies.
Skip would have been fun to be stuck in a tent with.
Among the 20 seasons prior to [Redacted], this team so far would rank right after our NIT winning team and right ahead of Dino's last team based on sports reference's rating system. This would match up well with Kenpom.
I expect we will end up right about where the 09-10 team ended up but on the wrong side of the bubble due to the strength of the ACC. Not bad for year 3 and encouraging moving forward given that we return our whole team and add a top 30 recruit at our biggest position of need.
Pretty interesting. I pulled up that team's roster and schedule for a trip down memory lane. Aminu and Ish Smith on the roster.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009%E2%80%9310_Wake_Forest_Demon_Deacons_men's_basketball_team
Everyone eventually makes a determination about a coach. You're still forming yours. I've made mine. And it actually is reasonable, since reasonable is a broad definition. Manning is good at certain things but I have seen enough to believe he won't get us to where we all want to go. That's my opinion, and it is reasonable. Also it is why message boards were invented. You're still waiting on more evidence before you make your final determination. So be it. That is reasonable also. I can think it's reasonable and still wrong. (You'd never guess I was married!)What I don't get is how anyone speaks in such absolutes like this.
Roy Williams is no in-game coaching master... But UNC isn't trapped in mediocrity because of it. Shaka Smart was beloved by this board, but he has 7 losses to unranked teams and a losing record at Texas - despite having 4 and 5 star guys along with limitless resources at a huge school that can admit anyone.
It's not even that hard to imagine based on how close Manning was to having Giles starting at the 3 for us this year. As a one-and-done he'd likely still have landed Brown or even someone higher to replace him next year. But more than that, the most critical piece of creating a program that can compete every year is recruiting. Full stop. Guys outplaying their rankings, players perfectly fitting a system for a year or two - it happens. But great programs get consistently great players, and as a small school with legit academics and a fairly homogenous, reclusive campus - it's an uphill battle. Having a big name helps. Taking a modern, relentless approach to recruiting helps. Having an eye for talent and a reputation for player development helps.
I get that people see him on the sidelines making questionable decisions and think, this guy is too restrained, he's not seeing all the angles, he doesn't manage timeouts well, etc... And if you suspect he'll never improve or whatever, then fine. But to have an opinion in year 3 that it's an absolute impossibility that Danny Manning will ever lead a legitimately successful program just doesn't seem reasonable.
Everyone eventually makes a determination about a coach. You're still forming yours. I've made mine. And it actually is reasonable, since reasonable is a broad definition. Manning is good at certain things but I have seen enough to believe he won't get us to where we all want to go. That's my opinion, and it is reasonable. Also it is why message boards were invented. You're still waiting on more evidence before you make your final determination. So be it. That is reasonable also. I can think it's reasonable and still wrong. (You'd never guess I was married!)
It's not that reasonable actually. The most reasonable view is that we simply don't have enough information. Your view is purely speculative as is any view that Manning will definitely get us to Odom/Skip levels. The latter view, however, benefits from the fact that Manning is likely to improve with experience.
To say that it is literally unreasonable to form an opinion about Danny Manning after seeing patterns in his coaching - especially an opinion that takes into account good things he has done - is actually what is unreasonable. I have not said that thinking Danny could be a good coach is unreasonable. But stating that my opinion is speculative, and therefore wrong, is unreasonable. By your logic only those who are completely neutral are reasonable, and Danny has been here too long for some of us to remain completely neutral. It's OK to have an opinion, my friends! Especially one that is backed by trends.
You guys need to broaden your understanding of reasonable viewpoints, and also remember the good and beautiful purpose of a message board. Appears you have forgotten its reason for existence.
Everyone eventually makes a determination about a coach. You're still forming yours. I've made mine. And it actually is reasonable, since reasonable is a broad definition. Manning is good at certain things but I have seen enough to believe he won't get us to where we all want to go. That's my opinion, and it is reasonable. Also it is why message boards were invented. You're still waiting on more evidence before you make your final determination. So be it. That is reasonable also. I can think it's reasonable and still wrong. (You'd never guess I was married!)
In spite of his talents, I see flaws that I don't think he will overcome. You see flaws that you think he could overcome. Neither of us is unreasonable.It is unreasonable, based on the information we have, to conclude definitively that Danny Manning is incapable of leading us to a sustained level of play at or above 1990-2010 levels.
If that's not the conclusion you have drawn then my apologies.
In spite of his talents, I see flaws that I don't think he will overcome. You see flaws that you think he could overcome. Neither of us is unreasonable.
We are posting on a 105-page thread entitled "Danny Manning Credibility Watch," populated by numerous smart posters of differing opinions. Yet you alone are the arbiter of what's reasonable?