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Democratic Candidates for POTUS, 2016 edition

I've seen him give speeches to very conservative crowds that went over very well (Liberty University the best example among them).

It's still very, very early. That his campaign has done so well so far is a testament to the fact that a populist message from the progressive wing can work. We've had a run of conservatism for quite some time, to be sure. I'd argue the pendulum has shifted further left on social issues in recent years (gay marriage, Occupy, BLM) and that much of the platform Bernie is proposing (single payer, teacher pay raises, infrastructure spending) aren't really that far left anyway.

Branding Obama as a socialist didn't really work either.
 
Obama isn't actually a socialist. Sanders is.

Liberty is always going to be cordial but it is a numbers game. Sanders supporters are very passionate, but there just won't be enough of them.
 
I can't wait for 12 years from now when Jeb beat Hilary and fucked shit up again like his bro and I turn into bobknightfan saying how the country had the chance to elect a real leader but the Clintons and the evil DNC ruined Bernie Sanders's chance.
 
ChrisL68 said:
Obama isn't actually a socialist. Sanders is.
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Disagree about Sanders being an actual socialist, but regardless, the messaging will be the same. It'll still terrify the GOP base, and not really be enough.

Demographics in the country are changing pretty rapidly. Sanders polls pretty well with #olds, #youngs, #blacks, and #whites.

You don't need to be Southern, white, male, or Protestant to be "electable" in America anymore, no matter how often it may get repeated. The electability paradigm has to be thought of differently today after a liberal Muslim sounding, black candidate from Chicago won handily twice.

Hilary doesn't have nearly as much run with young voters as Bernie does.

And insofar as "outsider" is a positive buzzword to lots of voters this cycle, Bernie has far better cred than Hilary does. Obama's roots in the party were with the activist left, not the center, and it was the path to candidacy in 2008. It's really not that crazy to think an old white man can do it in 2016.
 
TownieDeac said:
I can't wait for 12 years from now when Jeb beat Hilary and fucked shit up again like his bro and I turn into bobknightfan saying how the country had the chance to elect a real leader but the Clintons and the evil DNC ruined Bernie Sanders's chance.
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And somebody will tell you then what I am telling you now. Sanders has no chance.

You would have thought bkf would have figured that out when his populist icon McGovern got crushed in the general by Nixon.
 
PhDeac said:
Hillary polled better before she got into the race. I could see the same happening with Smilin' Joe.

You can't count out Bernie until the first debate. I think Joe will wait until after then to decide if he's needed.
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Biden is waiting until after Hillary's Benghazi testimony. I suppose we shall see what difference it makes, won't we?
 
ChrisL68 said:
I think some of you are engaging in wishful thinking. Bush or Rubio would mop the floor with him

He is getting crushed by Clinton in current polling in all of the battleground states he would have to win in the general election.
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Well, you're talking to self-anointed progressives. Kind of an assumed risk at every turn.
 
Benghazi is irrelevant. It is just dumb GOP pandering.

The thing that could take Clinton down is if the FBI email investigation uncovers something.
 
ChrisL68 said:
Benghazi is irrelevant. It is just dumb GOP pandering.

The thing that could take Clinton down is if the FBI email investigation uncovers something.
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Don't confuse a lack of interest on your part with relevance about her fitness for office. How terribly she handled that situation, and then tried to cover it up, is pretty damned relevant. And I hear Ph prefers the truth, so he might tune in this time.

But even if you choose not to care, the two are tied together; why didn't she provide the emails to predecessors of the Committee? What did she think the public didn't deserve to know? The only legitimate answer of why she didn't turn them over---that they were classified---is the only answer she can't give. It will be nice to see somebody besides hand-selected devotees with press passes asking her questions.
 
Lack of interest on anybody's part instead of the Fox red meat crowd that would never vote for Clinton anyway.

At some point, I hope you come to the conclusion that Benghazi has been a fabricated issue. I doubt you will, but I hope.
 
Guess it's dumb of me to speculate since y'all have it all figured out.
 
jhmd2000 said:
Don't confuse a lack of interest on your part with relevance about her fitness for office. How terribly she handled that situation, and then tried to cover it up, is pretty damned relevant. And I hear Ph prefers the truth, so he might tune in this time.

But even if you choose not to care, the two are tied together; why didn't she provide the emails to predecessors of the Committee? What did she think the public didn't deserve to know? The only legitimate answer of why she didn't turn them over---that they were classified---is the only answer she can't give. It will be nice to see somebody besides hand-selected devotees with press passes asking her questions.
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If only the truth was running for president; but I fear that the truth will be mostly running away from this campaign.
 
ChrisL68 said:
Lack of interest on anybody's part instead of the Fox red meat crowd that would never vote for Clinton anyway.

At some point, I hope you come to the conclusion that Benghazi has been a fabricated issue. I doubt you will, but I hope.
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Enlighten us. You mean those four people are still alive? She handled it masterfully? You would like moar of that expert management and transparency?
 
TownieDeac said:
Guess it's dumb of me to speculate since y'all have it all figured out.
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It's not personal, Townie. It's strictly business. Bernie is an admirable guy. He just ain't getting to 270 in this country at this time. Maybe in the 1930s, maybe again sometime later.

But I am getting livid at the Clintons. Hillary has a tin ear, contradicts her varying stands on issues and is running an awful campaign. The party had other good candidates, but they all backed off out of respect (or fear) to her and Bubba. If she loses the primary to Sanders or the general to a Pub in a year in which any random, unoffensive moderate Dem would roll to well over 270, she and Bubba should be completely shunned by the party thereafter. She's a terrible candidate, and it's just entitled blind ambition with no thought to party or country.
 
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