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Do States have the right to secede?

More importantly, how awesome was it when Fry used his 300 bucks rebate to buy 100 cups of coffee?

That show is f'n hysterical and that epidsode was great.
 
That episode is on right now. Loved the whole series and thought Fry hopped up on caffeine fit the tenor of the new boards perfectly.
 
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It would have to pass both the state legislature and Congress, and it certainly won't pass Congress.
 
Yeah, I read that part, but don't get it. That's the whole point of secession - to leave and no longer acknowledge rules of the legislature, courts, etc. You don't ask for permission, you do. Did the US get permission from England to secede?
 
Well, regardless of whether or not it makes sense, it's in the Constitution. Theoretically they could secede, but not be readmitted as a U.S. state:

"New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new States shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress."
 
awaken said:
Given the anniversary today and talk around here of CA and TX independence on other threads, I ask The Pit to discuss.
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If they had the "right" to do it, there wouldn't have been a war over it. You don't have the "right" to break the law, but you can still do it.
 
There is such a thing as an unjustified war.

The Declaration of Independence expressly allows for secession from the US:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

TR's exactly right re states subdividing and joining though. Great foresight by the FF.
 
awaken said:
There is such a thing as an unjustified war.

The Declaration of Independence expressly allows for secession from the US:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

TR's exactly right re states subdividing and joining though. Great foresight by the FF.
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The United States is not a compact, alliance, or confederation - the U.S. is consolidated, thus the abolishment of the US must be agreed upon or it must be complete.

Patrick Henry asked:
The fate ... of America may depend on this. ... Have they made a proposal of a compact between the states? If they had, this would be a confederation. It is otherwise most clearly a consolidated government. The question turns, sir, on that poor little thing—the expression, We, the people, instead of the states, of America. ...[28]

Secession without the consent of the government is revolution, and revolution obviously makes no mind of legalities.
 
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I hope and pray that Texas secedes. What a bunch of self-righteous buffoons. Go for it.
 
myDeaconmyhand said:
The United States is not a compact, alliance, or confederation - the U.S. is consolidated, thus the abolishment of the US must be agreed upon or it must be complete.

Patrick Henry asked:
The fate ... of America may depend on this. ... Have they made a proposal of a compact between the states? If they had, this would be a confederation. It is otherwise most clearly a consolidated government. The question turns, sir, on that poor little thing—the expression, We, the people, instead of the states, of America. ...[28]

Secession without the consent of the government is revolution, and revolution obviously makes no mind of legalities.
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Henry was pro-confederation.
 
Marietta Deac said:
Henry was pro-confederation.
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Yeah, that's why he didn't like how the constitution was worded. That's also why the seceding states were attempting to create their own confederacy, rather than another consolidated government, so that "State's Rights" would finally trump.
 
TX also has the advantage of its own electrical grid, which I believe is in better shape than our other 3(?) grids. They also have some nice refineries that are useful.
 
We outta this bitch and taking our weed with us!
 
ddeacs98 said:
It would also be interesting to see a new map considering 45% of the land in California is owned by the federal government.
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If CA secedes the US federal government has as much a say in the land as a goat in Andorra does. Those lands will be owned by the new country.
 
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