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I'm worried I'm closer to being a racist now.

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Prior to today, I had believed that I was clearly not a racist. After reading about it today, I'm still fairly confident that I'm not a racist, but it took a troublingly long time to determine that.

Ph - your comments on the racial slur thread were insightful and got me going down this rabbit hole. So, thanks, I guess.

Check out this definition of racist:
rac·ist
ˈrāsəst/Submit
noun
1.
a person who shows or feels discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or who believes that a particular race is superior to another.

That's per the ol' Google. Bolded language is new to me and I'm fairly confident that it wasn't there three or four years ago. I figured that prior to the addition of the "prejudice clause" of the definition, I was very clearly not a racist. I held/hold no belief that one group of people is superior to another based on their skin color.

However, now I have to learn what prejudice is in order to be sure that I'm "not a racist." I thought I knew what prejudice was - just sort of assuming a certain number of things about a person based on their presentation (be it online, in person or whatever). Turns out, I'm wrong there too - prejudice has to be based on things that aren't actual experiences or logical reason.

prej·u·dice
ˈprejədəs/Submit
noun
1. preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience.

So, when I go up to the Hispanic looking guy on a construction site and I open with, "mucho gusto"? That doesn't seem to be prejudice. Is he Native American sometimes? Yeah, my bad. I gotta figure out the word for the assumptions that I make about people based on their initial appearance. I used to think it was prejudice, but that's clearly wrong now. I'd like to be a better communicator and build away from potential prejudice in my assumption-making building blocks.

In order to be a racist, as above, you either believe that a particular race is better than another (the original Uncle Ruckus savings clause), or show/feel discrimination/prejudice which is not reasonable or based on actual experience. That seems like a pretty high bar, and I'm not sure what the addition of the prejudice clause really adds. Frankly, I'm uncomfortable with how hard it seems to be a racist per the definition. I'm even more uncomfortable with how often the label is watered down.

Here's what kills me, this sort of definition logic loophole is really close to what has been used in the past to perpetuate very serious unfairness.

In 1964, Gov. George Wallace of Alabama — who just a year earlier promised “segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever” — explained the clear difference, in his mind, between a racist and a segregationist: “A racist is one who despises someone because of his color, and an Alabama segregationist is one who conscientiously believes that it is in the best interest of the Negro and white to have a separate educational and social order.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/21/...ay-to-get-rid-of-racism-just-redefine-it.html

I'm not gaslighting - racism in present day America is real. Systemic or otherwise. And I also acknowledge the collateral and lasting consequences of the history of racism in America. There's no "but" here. Hell, the job I've done for the past five years and will likely continue to do for the rest of my life is both an everyday fight against institutional racism and also a cog that perpetuates it. Fucking unfair.

At any rate, this post sort of exposes me to some pushback, but I hope it will open a discussion on what racism is and isn't - and how we/I can help address the things that are and foster the things that aren't.

A White Man Asked C-Span How to Stop Being Racist
 
you chastised me and banned me years ago from the mafia big leagues for saying something that wasnt even racist and now you say you are a racist i will tell you what mr cockstain you are a hypocrite which may be fucking worse actually it is not worse but you are a hypocrite racist which is probably the worst thing you CAN be outside of harvard weinstein
 
you chastised me and banned me years ago from the mafia big leagues for saying something that wasnt even racist and now you say you are a racist i will tell you what mr cockstain you are a hypocrite which may be fucking worse actually it is not worse but you are a hypocrite racist which is probably the worst thing you CAN be outside of harvard weinstein

It's been like 4 or 5 years, so I don't really remember the details, but didn't the temporarily banned player fly off the handle and call some players the N bomb? When I started this thread, I did not think a gem like this would be unearthed. Bravo.
 
It's been like 4 or 5 years, so I don't really remember the details, but didn't the temporarily banned player fly off the handle and call some players the N bomb? When I started this thread, I did not think a gem like this would be unearthed. Bravo.

no, i referred to myself as an 'n'. that was the extent of it. as in: can a 'n' get his deadchat link?
 
Shame that Knight's heartfelt post isn't generating any serious conversation.
 
Racism is like pornography, it might be hard to define, but you know it when you see it.
 
Racism is like a mountain dew addict playing video games and neglecting his children, it's jamesda #blastfromthepast

Knight's post is awesome, go find the site he pulled it from for a good conversation.
 
To further this conversation and dig deeper into Knight's exploration of racism. Is racism any occurrence of racial prejudice, or is it prejudice + power?

I tend toward the later, as this is what puts in place both structural and individual barriers to equality, not simply a preference or bias towards one's own race.
 
It's semantics, but as far as racism at a systemic level goes I believe it's the latter. Colloquially, I believe people intend the former when they use/hear the term "racism." These types of linguistic barriers only further the divide IMO.

I didn't learn about the "prejudice plus" formulation of racism until law school (never came up at Wake - not sure if that was a product of classes I took or didn't take, the types of classes, professors, or all of the above) but I believe it better serves the discussion of racism and its deleterious effects in 2018 America than the "prejudice" aspect alone. Particularly when we're talking about racism in politics and society at large.
 
Follow the Golden Rule and this all kinda takes care of itself does it not?

On an individual level. Like many other political issues though, I think it's relatively short-sighted to propose this as any sort of solution since inevitably not everyone will follow the Golden Rule - leaving us still to deal with the societal and political implications at a macro level.

This type of sentiment is akin to saying "follow the Golden Rule" as a proposal to end bullying. Sure in a perfect world that "solves" the issue, but not in the world we actually live in.
 
To further this conversation and dig deeper into Knight's exploration of racism. Is racism any occurrence of racial prejudice, or is it prejudice + power?

I tend toward the later, as this is what puts in place both structural and individual barriers to equality, not simply a preference or bias towards one's own race.

I don’t tend to equate prejudice and racism. Racism, to me, is a reaction to prejudice. Everyone has prejudices. It’s about what you do with your awareness of them.
 
It's semantics, but as far as racism at a systemic level goes I believe it's the latter. Colloquially, I believe people intend the former when they use/hear the term "racism." These types of linguistic barriers only further the divide IMO.

I didn't learn about the "prejudice plus" formulation of racism until law school (never came up at Wake - not sure if that was a product of classes I took or didn't take, the types of classes, professors, or all of the above) but I believe it better serves the discussion of racism and its deleterious effects in 2018 America than the "prejudice" aspect alone. Particularly when we're talking about racism in politics and society at large.

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