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Israel Attacked and its Response

Kory said:
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www.nbcnews.com

Top Israeli official Ron Dermer began yelling during a meeting with U.S. officials on Gaza

The meeting grew tense after the Americans questioned an Israeli plan to evacuate more than 1 million Palestinian civilians from Rafah and house them in tents.
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“Israel presented a plan to move 1.4 million civilians over several weeks from Rafah to tents that would be set up north of the city, the officials said. But the Israeli proposal did not include plans for addressing sanitation needs or an assessment of how much food or water would be required or where it would come from, the officials said. They said the Israeli officials had only thought through sourcing for a fraction of the hundreds of thousands of tents that would be needed.”
 
Are bombs fungible?
 
myDeaconmyhand said:
“Israel presented a plan to move 1.4 million civilians over several weeks from Rafah to tents that would be set up north of the city, the officials said. But the Israeli proposal did not include plans for addressing sanitation needs or an assessment of how much food or water would be required or where it would come from, the officials said. They said the Israeli officials had only thought through sourcing for a fraction of the hundreds of thousands of tents that would be needed.”
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Well we certainly got a glimpse into Israel's plan on handling the food situation this week
 
myDeaconmyhand said:
www.nbcnews.com

Top Israeli official Ron Dermer began yelling during a meeting with U.S. officials on Gaza

The meeting grew tense after the Americans questioned an Israeli plan to evacuate more than 1 million Palestinian civilians from Rafah and house them in tents.
www.nbcnews.com www.nbcnews.com

“Israel presented a plan to move 1.4 million civilians over several weeks from Rafah to tents that would be set up north of the city, the officials said. But the Israeli proposal did not include plans for addressing sanitation needs or an assessment of how much food or water would be required or where it would come from, the officials said. They said the Israeli officials had only thought through sourcing for a fraction of the hundreds of thousands of tents that would be needed.”
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pretty fucking wild that the pause is after the "how many tents do you have?" answer and not at the part that says "plans to move 1.4 million civilians"
 
So what does Israel do for the US in this relationship?
 
very long, very good article in LRB about Israel and its use of the Holocaust as a political tool that had this impressionable paassage:

A strenuously willed affiliation with the Shoah has also marked and diminished much American journalism about Israel. More consequentially, the secular-political religion of the Shoah and the over-identification with Israel since the 1970s has fatally distorted the foreign policy of Israel’s main sponsor, the US. In 1982, shortly before Reagan bluntly ordered Begin to cease his ‘holocaust’ in Lebanon, a young US senator who revered Elie Wiesel as his great teacher met the Israeli prime minister. In Begin’s own stunned account of the meeting, the senator commended the Israeli war effort and boasted that he would have gone further, even if it meant killing women and children. Begin himself was taken aback by the words of the future US president, Joe Biden. ‘No, sir,’ he insisted. ‘According to our values, it is forbidden to hurt women and children, even in war ... This is a yardstick of human civilisation, not to hurt civilians.’

paywalled: https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v46/n06/pankaj-mishra/the-shoah-after-gaza
 
JuiceCrewAllStar said:
very long, very good article in LRB about Israel and its use of the Holocaust as a political tool that had this impressionable paassage:

A strenuously willed affiliation with the Shoah has also marked and diminished much American journalism about Israel. More consequentially, the secular-political religion of the Shoah and the over-identification with Israel since the 1970s has fatally distorted the foreign policy of Israel’s main sponsor, the US. In 1982, shortly before Reagan bluntly ordered Begin to cease his ‘holocaust’ in Lebanon, a young US senator who revered Elie Wiesel as his great teacher met the Israeli prime minister. In Begin’s own stunned account of the meeting, the senator commended the Israeli war effort and boasted that he would have gone further, even if it meant killing women and children. Begin himself was taken aback by the words of the future US president, Joe Biden. ‘No, sir,’ he insisted. ‘According to our values, it is forbidden to hurt women and children, even in war ... This is a yardstick of human civilisation, not to hurt civilians.’

paywalled: https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v46/n06/pankaj-mishra/the-shoah-after-gaza
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Right. The question of “what leverage does Israel have over US politicians that would motivate them to enable genocide?” fails to consider that maybe those politicians just choose to enable genocide. Every long serving American congressperson has actively participated in killing a million Iraqis and Afghans, so as a political apparatus they are clearly comfortable with mass killings of Muslims and Arabs. This might not serve Joe Biden’s short term political popularity, but it obviously serves the American political mission.
 
myDeaconmyhand said:
Right. The question of “what leverage does Israel have over US politicians that would motivate them to enable genocide?” fails to consider that maybe those politicians just choose to enable genocide. Every long serving American congressperson has actively participated in killing a million Iraqis and Afghans, so as a political apparatus they are clearly comfortable with mass killings of Muslims and Arabs. This might not serve Joe Biden’s short term political popularity, but it obviously serves the American political mission.
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Which is why this is an uphill battle. A strong pro-Palestine movement in the public and in Congress along with dissension within the White House are significant signs of progress over only 6 months. There’s never been this much push back on Israel.
 
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