Ah. You were agreeing with us in a disagreeable way. Gotcha.
Nope. I was disagreeing with this statement, which could be very wrong - “Hoard should leave. He has nothing to gain by spening another year here.”
Ah. You were agreeing with us in a disagreeable way. Gotcha.
Hoard was projected to be drafted this year before he stepped on the court at Wake. Big difference between him and Collins. Heck, he may still be projected to be drafted right now.
Of course, and if so, he should go. Isn’t that exactly the gist of my first post?
He shouldn’t just go no matter what, he should make a smart decision to optimize his long term success.
Players come back to school all the time and improve their draft stock, which is incredibly important for any given player. Players can go from “projected to be undrafted” to first round picks after a year in college. That’s what John Collins did. If the evaluators tell Jaylen he’ll be a first round pick, then he should go. If they tell him a year could really improve his stock, he should listen to them.
Oh I think he would come back to a better team with a better coach and better teammates.
Sophomores drafted in 2018:
Round 1:
Miles Bridges - #12
Donte DiVincenzo - #17 (RS Soph)
Kevin Huerter - #19
Josh Okogie - #20
Robert Williams - #27
Round 2:
Bruce Brown - #42
Justin Jackson - #43
Hamidou Diallo - #45
DeAnthony Melton - #46
Tony Carr - #51
Shake Milton - #54
I don't know enough about most of these guys to say whether or not they benefitted from a 2nd season in college... Or if they left a year too late.
What makes you say that? I obviously can't speak for him, or read his mind, but it seems like the team liked each other (and Manning) this season.
If he leaves, I think it'll just be because that's the advice he's given... And because he's had it in his mind that he's one and done from the start.
I say that because he would have more reasons to come back. It’s easier to leave a loser than a winner.
Williams, Brown, Jackson, and Diallo definitely didn't benefit from a second year. In fairness, though, Diallo was basically a freshman.
Bridges's stock fell a bit, iirc, but I don't think returning really helped or hurt him.
It's safe to say that DiVincenzo, Huerter, Okogie, and Melton benefited from coming back.
I don't know if Carr and Milton necessarily benefited and probably should have returned for another year if we're being honest.
Gotcha. I’d probably argue the opposite... If Wake hadn’t sucked this year, he may have been heralded enough to leave this year (without as much debate, at least).
But who knows.
Some of their draft positions went up. That doesn’t mean they benefitted.
If John Collins had come back for his junior year, he probably would have been a top 10 pick, maybe top 5. Doesn’t mean he would have benefitted.
You don't think million dollar increases in income over the lives of their rookie scale deals (for DiVincenzo, Huerter, and Okogie) and guaranteed contracts (for Melton) mean that they benefited from coming back? DD and Huerter played their way into the first round. I can't imagine Okogie boosting his stock any more than he did already while playing for GT.
Maybe Collins would have benefited from name recognition, but I doubt he could have had a statistically better junior season. The biggest knocks on Collins as a prospect were a function of lack of interest in playing defense and his wingspan. But you're right. He probably could have played his way up in a shallower draft.