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Even if you don't like Jeter, you can't put a reliever ahead of him.
 
Rank Player*(yrs, age) Wins Above Replacement Bats/Throws
1 Babe*Ruth+*(22) 178.3 L
8 Roger*Clemens*(24) 133.9 R
17 Alex*Rodriguez*(19, 36) 111.4 R
18 Lou*Gehrig+*(17) 108.5 L
20 Mickey*Mantle+*(18) 105.5 B
22 Mel*Ott+*(22) 104 L
41 Wade*Boggs+*(18) 88.3 L
57 Mike*Mussina*(18) 78.2 L
66 Joe*DiMaggio+*(13) 75.1 R
83 Derek*Jeter*(18, 38) 69.3 R

The rank is all-time rank. included some guys that were yankees but may not be considered "yankees." hard to decide where the cutoff is b/w ruth and the others, but i'd say he's surely a yankee unlike the others.
 
I already said I was prolly wrong. This all-time stuff isn't my specialty, I was just surprised to see it.

Where do y'all rank Jeter in terms of all time shortstops? Behind Honus Wagner and Cal Ripken, I assume?
 
what if you only include their numbers when they were on the yankees?
 
perhaps we should debate some more spring training bean balls...
 
Anyone buying Espinosa "fixing" his swing for left side?
 
Top 30 (fwar now):

Rank Name G WAR
1 Babe Ruth 2084 157.7
2 Lou Gehrig 2164 125.8
3 Mickey Mantle 2401 123.3
4 Joe DiMaggio 1736 91.9
5 Derek Jeter 2584 77.7
6 Yogi Berra 2116 71.6
7 Bill Dickey 1789 63.7
8 Andy Pettitte 417 57.5
9 Willie Randolph 1682 56.1
10 Tony Lazzeri 1659 55
11 Whitey Ford 498 54.4
12 Red Ruffing 426 51.8
13 Alex Rodriguez 1249 50.7
14 Ron Guidry 368 50.6
15 Charlie Keller 1066 49.1
16 Bernie Williams 2074 47.5
17 Roy White 1877 47.5
18 Phil Rizzuto 1661 47.2
19 Graig Nettles 1531 46.8
20 Jorge Posada 1825 46.7
21 Earle Combs 1455 46.3
22 Don Mattingly 1771 45.8
23 Joe Gordon 1000 44.6
24 Tommy Henrich 1284 44.6
25 Thurman Munson 1423 44.5
26 Gil McDougald 1336 44.2
27 Lefty Gomez 367 40.9
28 Mariano Rivera 1051 39.3
29 Elston Howard 1492 38.9
30 Mike Mussina 249 38.1
 
guess so. makes sense, though. crazy that the all time best closer doesn't even crack his own team's top 25 all time WAR. speaks more to the position itself than mo, i think, since there that fictional replacement player in mo's case wasn't really there league-wide, at least not as a reliever.
 
Mets manager Terry Collins made probably the best managerial decision in game I saw all of last year. Late in the game, down 2 or 3 runs, he pulled Jason Bay back and sent our Valdespin who just hammered one for the tie or go ahead run but the Mets bullpen blew the game. I just Googled it to investigate and find out he set the MLB record for most pinch hit homers last year, a role the Mets liked him in so much they didn't give him regular at bats.
 
Bronson Pinchot said:
guess so. makes sense, though. crazy that the all time best closer doesn't even crack his own team's top 25 all time WAR. speaks more to the position itself than mo, i think, since there that fictional replacement player in mo's case wasn't really there league-wide, at least not as a reliever.
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SkinsNDeacs said:
Just curious...why?
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the issue is usage. you pitch like a max of 70 ip a year. that just doesn't compare to a positional player who logs 150 games both ways a year or a starter who logs 3 times as many innings. i'm not sure how fwwar uses leverage which is the only way a closer could possibly close the gap.
 
CheesePritchard said:
Mets manager Terry Collins made probably the best managerial decision in game I saw all of last year. Late in the game, down 2 or 3 runs, he pulled Jason Bay back and sent our Valdespin who just hammered one for the tie or go ahead run but the Mets bullpen blew the game. I just Googled it to investigate and find out he set the MLB record for most pinch hit homers last year, a role the Mets liked him in so much they didn't give him regular at bats.
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#swag
 
my BOI tyler collins!

smashed a homer today, so his spring is 10/26, with 2 doubles, 2 triples, and a homer. solid slugging.
 
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