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Net Neutrality - thoughts?

From the comments in the NYT piece:

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Scott Mooneyham Fayetteville NC 31 minutes ago

Pai's words are absurd and he knows it. The big, incumbent telecom providers are virtual monopolies and he knows it. As such, government has always had a role in significant regulation of such utility companies, and that is what they are. To suggest that all small businesses' need is technical information to succeed is more deception and absurdity. The big telecoms will continue to block innovation, squeeze out middle-mile/data storage tech companies, take over and dominate content providers, and the result will be that the US economy will fall further behind as government treats infrastructure critical to all US businesses like it is Sears or Best Buy. Why not give the Interstate system to a single company and let them dictate which companies can transport which goods down it? Ten years from now, when people are writing about the demise of the US as a world economic power, they will be writing about this decision. We are indeed following the Russian model.
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Tom Krebsbach Washington 36 minutes ago

The only way to view this decision is to view it as a gratuitous gift to the plutocracy and a total subjugation of the common man to the desires of powerful corporate interests. At a time when this country is trying to deal with the dramatic increase in inequality between the ordinary person and those who harvest the riches of this society, this decision is a giant slap in the face to the common man and woman. We can blame Trump and the Republicans for this.

If Trump supporters actually believe that he cares about the ordinary citizen, this decision should disabuse them of that notion. Is this guy and his appointees capable of doing anything good? I haven't seen it yet.
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PhDeac said:
This would be devastating to small e-commerce sites. It's easy to see that.

I'm surprised the big dogs like Amazon and Netflix haven't put their thumbs on the scale with their subscribers. Not hard to imagine a situation where Disney pays Comcast for priority access to their upcoming streaming service while Netflix gets throttled. Why would anybody want that?
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Netflix and Amazon don't exactly hate losing NN. They have the cash to pay the tax and freeze out potential competitors.
 
ConnorEl said:
From the comments in the NYT piece:

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Scott Mooneyham Fayetteville NC 31 minutes ago

Pai's words are absurd and he knows it. The big, incumbent telecom providers are virtual monopolies and he knows it. As such, government has always had a role in significant regulation of such utility companies, and that is what they are. To suggest that all small businesses' need is technical information to succeed is more deception and absurdity. The big telecoms will continue to block innovation, squeeze out middle-mile/data storage tech companies, take over and dominate content providers, and the result will be that the US economy will fall further behind as government treats infrastructure critical to all US businesses like it is Sears or Best Buy. Why not give the Interstate system to a single company and let them dictate which companies can transport which goods down it? Ten years from now, when people are writing about the demise of the US as a world economic power, they will be writing about this decision. We are indeed following the Russian model.
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Tom Krebsbach Washington 36 minutes ago

The only way to view this decision is to view it as a gratuitous gift to the plutocracy and a total subjugation of the common man to the desires of powerful corporate interests. At a time when this country is trying to deal with the dramatic increase in inequality between the ordinary person and those who harvest the riches of this society, this decision is a giant slap in the face to the common man and woman. We can blame Trump and the Republicans for this.

If Trump supporters actually believe that he cares about the ordinary citizen, this decision should disabuse them of that notion. Is this guy and his appointees capable of doing anything good? I haven't seen it yet.
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As long as the Mexicans and ungrateful NFL players get slower internet, they're fine with it.
 
bym051d said:
Netflix and Amazon don't exactly hate NN. They have the cash to pay the tax and freeze out potential competitors.
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Netflix is particularly vulnerable because they use a lot of bandwidth and have deep pocket competitors. WB and Disney are starting their streaming services. WB would get priority from Spectrum most likely.

Amazon doesn't have many legit competitors, but they want it to be as easy as possible for consumers to use their product. The longer than 1-click takes, the worse for their business. If consumers have to pay extra for a commerce internet plan for example, they may be less likely to join Prime.
 
Is it possible for states to pass laws, surely to be challenged, that keep neutrality state specific?
 
Louis Gossett Jr said:
Is it possible for states to pass laws, surely to be challenged, that keep neutrality state specific?
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While it sounds like a good idea, with the nature of the internet (ability to easily distribute around the country) & margins for less-than-mega-corps operating in that space... You'd really have to get ~90% of states on board with that legislation for it to not have the same ultimate impact.

Great for giant isp's & mega-corp owners, terrible for everybody else.
 
In one post 2&2 shows exactly why this is dangerous: a large percentage of the population has no idea what this means or will do.
 
Fwiw, we disclosed the danger of this legislation to everybody we hired in 2013, 14, and 15.

Shy of nuclear war, I'm not sure of a more devastating blow that could be delivered overnight to people who deal in e-commerce.

And, let's be clear, that industry is the future. Brick and mortar will only continue to be a thing because of the infrastructure it provides to online business.

If you kill the little guy, in this stage of the internet, we're pretty much destined for the world portrayed in Wall-E.

Only brainless, poor morons could not own significant chunks of a mega-corp and think this is a good idea.
 
More NYT reader comments

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Erin B North Carolina 11 minutes ago

I know that the dark sides of our natures are never fully vanquished, only subdued, but what is frustrating is just how much this piece of evil refuses to STAY DOWN. Consumers and the people of the United States have made their voices heard on this topic loudly and repeatedly the last few years. The current rules are supported by the people and changing them is solely in the interest of big business. The American ideals of having freedom of expression and the inherent democratic idea that all voices matter equally should be taken into consideration here as well as the business angle. Net Neutrality is inherent to our American ideals. Please indicate who we can write and call in the FCC to complain about this.
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R Nelson GAP 14 minutes ago

"...a sweeping repeal of rules put in place by the Obama administration..."

Ah. So that's what this is about.

That, and any semblance of regulation of capitalist predators, who will now proceed to take over the ether and claim it as their own with which to indoctrinate the masses, Fox "News" not having reached enough households to do the job. The people who have been hornswoggled into believing that government is bad and GinormaCorp is benevolent will be pleased about the jab at Obama--that's what it's been all about for them, too--but when their rates go up and their speed goes down, they will be the first to demand that the government do something about it.

The role of government is to protect people from each other and provide for the general welfare. The present "administration" does exactly the opposite with this ruling.

Next is to subvert the armed forces and police to defend their craven rule. Midnight arrests of resisters, anyone?

The coup is all but complete.
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Dadof2 NJ 16 minutes ago

You don't destroy democracy and freedom with broad crackdowns. No, instead you use the frog-in-the-pot-of-water-on-the-stove analogy. Just raise the temperature a little at a time.

So..these days a MAJOR source of information is on the net. Maybe you read the Times on the 'net. Maybe you watch streaming, too, on the 'net. Now, the big companies will be given carte blanche to limit what you can see, and what you can say. Oh, they won't do it right off, but give them time and little by little the ability to network together for dissent will be cut off.

Donald Trump TOLD us that's what he wants when he said he wanted to revoke NBC's broadcast license for airing....bad things about Donald Trump. He's constantly attacked the Times, the Post, MSNBC, CNN (a favorite target) and anyone else who DARES to question the blatant lies of Tsar Donald. Of course, the NBC thing fell through because the networks don't actually have one license, their affiliates have them. But ignorance never stopped the Big D.

Little by little.

Every word we're told about the tax plan is a lie. It is intended to further impoverish the poor, kill what's left of the middle-class, and give the wealthy class more money, more power, and even less accountability.

Our democratic republic is crumbling around us, and the people with the greatest power to stop it, Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan, simply won't putting short-term concerns, victories and the next election cycle ahead of the long-term collapse.
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Wakeforest22890 said:
In one post 2&2 shows exactly why this is dangerous: a large percentage of the population has no idea what this means or will do.
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Keep in mind Republicans portrayed the Obama rules as a government takeover of the internet.
 
Looks like I can cut down my internet bill. Of course the commielibs are against it.
 
palmab03 said:
Looks like I can cut down my internet bill. Of course the commielibs are against it.
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Nah. The porn tier pricing will probably be expensive. Maybe you can get a porn + sports bundle to save a few dollars.
 
I can't believe you guys are even discussing it with him. I was going to say that he's not even a good troll, but there you go.
 
Yeah this one pretty much has no defense unless you are a higher up at an internet provider.
 
I can't wait to hear about how the rubes' internet is more expensive because of government interference in the market.
 
In all seriousness, this is an idiotic move by Trump's administration. But Obama, so here we are. But even I will admit that this is one of the few things that Obama got right.
 
2&2 Slider To Leyritz said:
In all seriousness, this is an idiotic move by Trump's administration. But Obama, so here we are. But even I will admit that this is one of the few things that Obama got right.
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But he hurt the rubes’ feelings, so now everyone will need to pay more for their internet.
 
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