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New Braves Stadium

A bad lease and a bad TV deal. They are run by a publicly traded company that doesn't seem to have any plan beyond break even and sell the team. The GM has managed to sign Kawakami, Derrick Lowe, Dan Uggla and BJ Upton. They make terrible decisions as an organization. They have a fantastic scouting and farm system which makes it even more frustrating to follow them.
 
Um, rush hour traffic is leaving Atlanta in the afternoon. Cobb County --> Atlanta is not in rush hour traffic, it's against it. Now people going to Cobb County will be IN rush hour traffic going to a game.

There is virtually no difference in rush hour traffic north or southbound through the downtown connector. People leaving Cobb County to go to Turner Field sit in rush hour traffic there.
 
Oh, well this is why. Map of 2012 Season Ticket Purchasers

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Which, shockingly, looks an awful lot like the racial map of Atlanta (blue: white, green: black)

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And FYI, Cobb's budget is not exactly in awesome shape:

http://www.ajc.com/news/news/breaking-news/cobb-schools-2013-14-budget-to-mean-furloughs-fewe/nXtKp/

Cobb County’s school board approved a 2013-14 budget Thursday night that will result in five furlough days for all employees, the loss of 182 teachers through attrition and a slimmer central administration staff.
Board members debated for more than two hours on whether to amend the budget before deciding to accept it in its original form.
Board chair Randy Scamihorn reminded board members that they could continue to amend the budget throughout the year.
Since March, board members and administrators have been at a crossroads on how to close an $86.4 million budget deficit largely caused by state austerity cuts and reduced local property tax collections.
In order to stave off more severe cuts, the board will pull more than $41 million from its fund balance reserves, a sort of savings account.
The school system will have just 8.33 percent of its money kept in savings, enough to keep the district afloat for one month should an emergency arise.
“That’s too close to the line,” Superintendent Michael Hinojosa said.
However, several board members see the fund balance reserve as an account to pull from for a rainy day — which is now, they say.
“I think the taxpayers gave us this money to put into the classroom, not to save in a savings account, or be a pot of gold to sit out there to say we’re financially healthy,” board member David Banks said.
Cobb school officials have kept the district debt-free while holding the tax rate steady and maintaining tax exemptions. The district says it has the lowest administrative costs in the region.
But the district has avoided the sort of severe cuts that neighboring school systems have made in recent years by paying recurring costs with savings and leftover sales tax revenue.
The board previously rejected a list of cuts from Hinojosa, who proposed shifting a large portion of high school classes into online courses, eliminating transportation to magnet schools, outsourcing janitor services, and pulling $22.2 million from the school district’s fund balance reserves.
Board members said the list wasn’t creative, didn’t reflect staff and public input, or preserve the learning environment Cobb parents have come to expect.
The school district’s administration predicts the system still would have to cut at least $60 million out of the budget for 2014-15.
In the approved budget, several smaller cuts were made, including reducing the use of postage, requiring direct deposits of paychecks and shifting a large portion of high school classes into online courses.
Only a handful of teachers protested the budget before Thursday night’s vote, which was passed 4-3.
 
A bad lease and a bad TV deal. They are run by a publicly traded company that doesn't seem to have any plan beyond break even and sell the team. The GM has managed to sign Kawakami, Derrick Lowe, Dan Uggla and BJ Upton. They make terrible decisions as an organization. They have a fantastic scouting and farm system which makes it even more frustrating to follow them.
I would add signing Glavine to your narrative if that is the position you want to take. I think Wren's good outweighs the bad. The TV deal is another story with Time Warner negotiating with the guys in the next office over.
 
Part of the reason they might not be coming down to non-contender Braves teams is probably because they have to drive an hour in rush hour traffic from Cobb County to get there. If it is a 15 minute drive against traffic most of the way, it might make attending a game much more likely.

There are no 15-minute drives in Atlanta (exception: traveling no more than a couple of miles) unless the games are going to be scheduled at 2am.
 
Loos like those who live north up 400 or 85 are fucked with this new location. 285 is god awful both directions in rush hour.

Also, the state is adding tolls to 75 and 575 although they might just be those peach pass lanes.
 
This is somewhat odd. Like someone else mentioned, it might be a push with respect to traffic. Would likely also require major improvements to the 75/285 corridor to support the additional traffic. Lastly, Cobb County has staunchly fought to avoid extension of MARTA into their borders. Will that change? If so, will north Fulton County riders have to take MARTA into the city, then back out to the ballpark?

If not already spoken for and logistically possible (not sure), the Braves should build their park at the Georgia Dome site after the Falcons move. That way, we would have all three sports in the same central entertainment district, along with Centennial Park, and easy MARTA access.
 
Thanks for not hiding this discussion in the Braves thread. This is fascinating stuff.
 
This is somewhat odd. Like someone else mentioned, it might be a push with respect to traffic. Would likely also require major improvements to the 75/285 corridor to support the additional traffic. Lastly, Cobb County has staunchly fought to avoid extension of MARTA into their borders. Will that change? If so, will north Fulton County riders have to take MARTA into the city, then back out to the ballpark?

If not already spoken for and logistically possible (not sure), the Braves should build their park at the Georgia Dome site after the Falcons move. That way, we would have all three sports in the same central entertainment district, along with Centennial Park, and easy MARTA access.

This would be awesome from the perspective of someone who lives and works ITP. I just don't think timing works on it - they just couldn't build a baseball stadium immediately after the Dome is imploded after the 2016 football season and have it ready for the 2017 baseball season, right? However, if they could get a deal done, nothing would stop the Braves from signing a 1 or 2 year lease extension at Turner Field to make this a reality. The problem right now is that I don't see any of the local metro governments being able to pony up the public funds for a new stadium.
 
This would be awesome from the perspective of someone who lives and works ITP. I just don't think timing works on it - they just couldn't build a baseball stadium immediately after the Dome is imploded after the 2016 football season and have it ready for the 2017 baseball season, right? However, if they could get a deal done, nothing would stop the Braves from signing a 1 or 2 year lease extension at Turner Field to make this a reality. The problem right now is that I don't see any of the local metro governments being able to pony up the public funds for a new stadium.

Blank should just buy the barves and build another stadium
 
There are no 15-minute drives in Atlanta (exception: traveling no more than a couple of miles) unless the games are going to be scheduled at 2am.

Against traffic you can go from Barrett to 75 in 10-15 minutes easy. With traffic and that takes you an hour. But it sure beats having to drive an additional 20 miles and then still fight the braves traffic.
 
“The other important part of the formula is for the citizens of Cobb not to experience any kind of tax increase. The influx of people into the county for the games should provide the revenue needed to make this a successful venture.”

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I'm interested to hear how that will work.

Could it be a chance also to rebrand the Braves' image? The scuttlebutt among some politicos is that the team may also look to change their logo amid the move.

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Get rid of the tomahawk chop, please.
 
However, significant economics research suggests that residents will be getting a "really crappy deal," according to Neil deMause, the co-author of Field of Schemes: How the Great Stadium Swindle Turns Public Money Into Private Profit. "The notion of stadiums as an economic catalyst is a complete myth," he told The Atlantic Wire. "The notion that you are somehow going to get economic benefits from a new stadium and a baseball team in your county that is going to make up for a loss of $450 million. ... Any economist in the country is going to say there's no possible way to earn that back," he explained.

atlanta braves cobb county costs taxWith co-author Joanna Cagan, deMause was an early critic of public-private stadium deals, and their ideas have taken a great hold in the public consciousness. "I'll reserve further Braves snark until I read full details, but the general stadium rule is you're getting swindled 100.1% of the time," Sports Illustrated's Andy Glockner tweeted.

So where will Cobb's pledged $450 million contribution come from? Tax increases, most likely, but the county will have a tough time passing those budget changes through a Republican-controlled government. "It's major Tea Party territory," deMause said, "and it's gonna be really interesting to see how they come up with $450 million without a tax increase and without calling it government spending." Even if they can raise the money, though, he doesn't think they'll see a return on their investment. "I guess if the Braves are paying a small enough amount for it, it's worth it to them. But I don't understand at all why Cobb would be interested in doing this," deMause said.
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/ente...-new-stadium-terrible-deal-cobb-county/71469/
 
Cobb county will revolt once they realize that this will bring black people out there.
 
There are no 15-minute drives in Atlanta (exception: traveling no more than a couple of miles) unless the games are going to be scheduled at 2am.

Dude, just stop. You might have lived here once in a time, but you clearly dont know what you are talking about. I live intown, and I drive to cumberland for work and back every day. It rarely takes me more than 15 minutes. Never in the morning, and only on the rare occasion that there are crazy wrecks or weather does it take me more than 15 in the evening. You can almost always get from downtown to buckhead in less than 15 by car and that is probably 10 miles or more.

The only people that sit in traffic for 30mins to an hour every day are the people who live in the burbs.
 
Also, as predicted, the Cobb GOP is already screaming no new taxes, which means it will be very very hard to make the deal happen.

Cobb County GOP Chairman Joe Dendy sent out a statement that included these thoughts on mass transit and taxes:

“It is absolutely necessary the solution is all about moving cars in and around Cobb and surrounding counties from our north and east where most Braves fans travel from, and not moving people into Cobb by rail from Atlanta.
The other important part of the formula is for the citizens of Cobb not to experience any kind of tax increase. The influx of people into the county for the games should provide the revenue needed to make this a successful venture.”

http://www.ajc.com/weblogs/politica...aily-jolt-threats-both-sides-atlanta-braves-/
 
Also, as predicted, the Cobb GOP is already screaming no new taxes, which means it will be very very hard to make the deal happen.

Cobb County GOP Chairman Joe Dendy sent out a statement that included these thoughts on mass transit and taxes:

“It is absolutely necessary the solution is all about moving cars in and around Cobb and surrounding counties from our north and east where most Braves fans travel from, and not moving people into Cobb by rail from Atlanta.
“The other important part of the formula is for the citizens of Cobb not to experience any kind of tax increase. The influx of people into the county for the games should provide the revenue needed to make this a successful venture.”

http://www.ajc.com/weblogs/politica...aily-jolt-threats-both-sides-atlanta-braves-/

lol.

No black people in our County!
 
Damn right. If people are coming to Cobb we want them bringing their cars and pollution with them!

SWPL
 
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