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Obama spending binge never happened - true or false?

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This piece has made the cycle. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/obama-spending-binge-never-happened-2012-05-22

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Almost everyone believes that Obama has presided over a massive increase in federal spending, an “inferno” of spending that threatens our jobs, our businesses and our children’s future. Even Democrats seem to think it’s true.

But it didn’t happen. Although there was a big stimulus bill under Obama, federal spending is rising at the slowest pace since Dwight Eisenhower brought the Korean War to an end in the 1950s.

Even hapless Herbert Hoover managed to increase spending more than Obama has.

Here are the facts, according to the official government statistics:

• In the 2009 fiscal year — the last of George W. Bush’s presidency — federal spending rose by 17.9% from $2.98 trillion to $3.52 trillion. Check the official numbers at the Office of Management and Budget.

• In fiscal 2010 — the first budget under Obama — spending fell 1.8% to $3.46 trillion.

• In fiscal 2011, spending rose 4.3% to $3.60 trillion.

• In fiscal 2012, spending is set to rise 0.7% to $3.63 trillion, according to the Congressional Budget Office’s estimate of the budget that was agreed to last August.

• Finally in fiscal 2013 — the final budget of Obama’s term — spending is scheduled to fall 1.3% to $3.58 trillion. Read the CBO’s latest budget outlook.

Over Obama’s four budget years, federal spending is on track to rise from $3.52 trillion to $3.58 trillion, an annualized increase of just 0.4%.

There has been no huge increase in spending under the current president, despite what you hear.

Why do people think Obama has spent like a drunken sailor? It’s in part because of a fundamental misunderstanding of the federal budget.



and Ann Coulter's rebuttal: http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=51706

It turns out Rex Nutting, author of the phony Marketwatch chart, attributes all spending during Obama's entire first year, up to Oct. 1, to President Bush.

That's not a joke.

That means, for example, the $825 billion stimulus bill, proposed, lobbied for, signed and spent by Obama, goes in ... Bush's column. (And if we attribute all of Bush's spending for the Iraq and Afghanistan wars and No Child Left Behind to William Howard Taft, Bush didn't spend much either.)

Nutting's "analysis" is so dishonest, even The New York Times has ignored it. He includes only the $140 billion of stimulus money spent after Oct. 1, 2009, as Obama's spending. And he's testy about that, grudgingly admitting that Obama "is responsible (along with the Congress) for about $140 billion in extra spending in the 2009 fiscal year from the stimulus bill."

Nutting acts as if it's the height of magnanimity to "attribute that $140 billion in stimulus to Obama and not to Bush ..."

On what possible theory would that be Bush's spending? Hey -- we just found out that Obamacare's going to cost triple the estimate. Let's blame it on Calvin Coolidge!

Nutting's "and not to Bush" line is just a sleight of hand. He's hoping you won't notice that he said "$140 billion" and not "$825 billion," and will be fooled into thinking that he's counting the entire stimulus bill as Obama's spending. (He fooled Ed Schultz!)

The theory is that a new president is stuck with the budget of his predecessor, so the entire 2009 fiscal year should be attributed to Bush.

But Obama didn't come in and live with the budget Bush had approved. He immediately signed off on enormous spending programs that had been specifically rejected by Bush. This included a $410 billion spending bill that Bush had refused to sign before he left office. Obama signed it on March 10, 2009. Bush had been chopping brush in Texas for two months at that point. Marketwatch's Nutting says that's Bush's spending.

Obama also spent the second half of the Troubled Asset Relief Fund (TARP). These were discretionary funds meant to prevent a market meltdown after Lehman Brothers collapsed. By the end of 2008, it was clear the panic had passed, and Bush announced that he wouldn't need to spend the second half of the TARP money.

But on Jan. 12, 2009, Obama asked Bush to release the remaining TARP funds for Obama to spend as soon as he took office. By Oct. 1, Obama had spent another $200 billion in TARP money. That, too, gets credited to Bush, according to the creative accounting of Rex Nutting.

There are other spending bills that Obama signed in the first quarter of his presidency, bills that would be considered massive under any other president -- such as the $40 billion child health care bill, which extended coverage to immigrants as well as millions of additional Americans. These, too, are called Bush's spending

Frustrated that he can't shift all of Obama's spending to Bush, Nutting also lowballs the spending estimates during the later Obama years. For example, although he claims to be using the White House's numbers, the White House's estimate for 2012 spending is $3.795 trillion. Nutting helpfully knocks that down to $3.63 trillion.

But all those errors pale in comparison to Nutting's counting Obama's nine-month spending binge as Bush's spending.

If liberals will attribute Obama's trillion-dollar stimulus bill to Bush, what won't they do?
 
Politifact backs Nutting:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...facebook-post-says-barack-obama-has-lowest-s/

Obama has indeed presided over the slowest growth in spending of any president using raw dollars, and it was the second-slowest if you adjust for inflation. The math simultaneously backs up Nutting’s calculations and demolishes Romney’s contention. The only significant shortcoming of the graphic is that it fails to note that some of the restraint in spending was fueled by demands from congressional Republicans. On balance, we rate the claim Mostly True.
 
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So are we to believe that President Obama has actually used fiscal restraint? That's fucking laughable.

Regardless of which numbers are right, Bush's last year of spending was an outlier and an anomaly to a Presidency that was universally panned by those on both sides for too much spending. That outlier has become the norm with the Obama administration and will only get worse when Obamacare gets started.
 
This was Romney's quote:

"Since President Obama assumed office three years ago, federal spending has accelerated at a pace without precedent in recent history."

This isn't true.
 
Obama outspent his predecessor at a lower level than anyone in 60 years. Does that equal fiscal restraint? no, not when his predecessor started two wars and an Rx bill.

But he is running against the party of that predecessor. That is that party's spending, whether they want to own it or not. THEY are the ones calling pretty much any and all spending bad. So even though Obama increases their spending at a very low rate, they still do their thing: scream and holler and Henny Penny about spending and deficits. It's ridiculous.
 
If we are to take all of Coulter's numbers and attribute them to Obama, we have an additional $1.335 trillion that is lopped off Bush's final budget and added to Obama's. This makes the numbers as follows...

Bush 2009 - 2.185
Obama 2009 - 1.335

If you add it to 2010, it makes the Obama 2010 number 4.795.

Now of course this is as intellectually dishonest as attributing all of 2009's budget to Bush. Bush deferred a lot of decisions to the incoming administration. That is a fact. Yet there is little doubt he would've spent some of the money that Obama did had he remained President for 2009. How much is up for debate.

What is silly about crunching all these numbers is Rex Nutting could've attributed more spending in 2009 to Obama, added that to the 2010 Obama budget, portrayed that as an outlier and economic necessity given the circumstances, and then alluded to all the subsequent budgets of around 3.5 trillion as 27% cuts from what Obama was "forced" to spend by the Bush administration. It's all spin. Nothing more, nothing less.

The problem is that Bush's 2008 budget at nearly 3 trillion (which was too much) looks almost sane compared to what is the norm from here on out-- 3.5 and above.
 
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More than anything this article reinforces that Bush spent WAY too much money. If Bush even has the slightest opportunity to make Obama look like he is exercising fiscal restraint then that shows more poorly on Bush than Obama. Obama is not a supply side guy. He believes in spending to jump start the economy. I am not judging right or wrong, but he has spent a good amount of money. You can argue whether it was necessary or not (I honestly believe that most of it was necessary) but you really can't argue whether he spent. Bush (with the 1st bailout attributed to his ledger) had a really jacked up general ledger when it came down to it. 2 wars, tax cuts, and a massive bailout. Not a good recipe for fiscal restraint. Obama hasn't done worse, but he hasn't made specific measures to clean up the balance sheet. He has not really tried to right now to be honest, and I agree with him. Excessive fiscal restraint on a struggling economy in my opinion causes more problems than it alleviates. We need short term spending and long term restraint. Both parties should understand this, but it wins neither side points with their bases to admit such a politically atrocious solution to our problem.
 
Listening to these two sides debate who spends less is laughable, if it weren't so tragic. The saddest compromise I've ever had to make was to reluctantly favor the Dems, because at least they spend the money on the poorest Americans.
 
If Romney wins, he's just going to bring in a bunch of Bush guys and work with pretty much the same Republicans who were in Congress 6 years ago and claim things will be different.
 
The Republicans controlled the Presidency and both houses of congress for six years from 2001 thru 2007. During the six years, we had the six largest budget deficits in the nation's history at that time. Think about that for a minute....... in the nation's 200+ year history thru 2007, the Republicans had all six of the nation's six largest budget deficits when they controlled every branch of the government.

It takes one helluva nerve for a Republican to even open his mouth about deficits & federal spending.

That is not correct, even when failing to adjust for inflation. By 2007, things were damn near great with the budget. Furthermore, the deficits we had in those 6 years I would gladly take compared to what we have today.
 
If Romney wins, he's just going to bring in a bunch of Bush guys and work with pretty much the same Republicans who were in Congress 6 years ago and claim things will be different.

and if he does that with the same results he'll be gone in 4 years too
 
This was Romney's quote:

"Since President Obama assumed office three years ago, federal spending has accelerated at a pace without precedent in recent history."

This isn't true.

Actually, since he assumed office in January 2009 and most of the spending from FY 2009 had yet to take place (whether or not you agree with Coulter's numbers), it is technically accurate. There, I just demolished Politifact. Take that, Politifact.
 
Furthermore, the deficits we have had since 2009 did not occur in a vacuum. They occurred due to the fact that Bush II left office with the nation's economy in a state of virtual collapse, necessitating the deficit spending to prevent a total collapse of the economy. That's why I said that many of the problems we are facing today could have been prevented if we had not had the total mismanagement of finances in the country for the eight years prior to 2009.

The deficits in the 2001-2007 era that you're talking about did not occur in a vacuum either. The economy had slowed considerably by the end of 2000. At the time, I believe we were technically in a recession, and then later adjustments made it so we weren't. Then 9/11 happened along with Enron and WorldCom. Whether you agree with fighting multiple wars or not, a war in Afghanistan was most definitely going to happen on anybody's watch, and the tax cuts assisted in recovery after 9/11 (you can argue that they weren't necessary later on).
 
I guess I am to believe that Obama is an abject failure on the economy because, immediately upon taking office, he didn't institute the most dramatic austerity measures ever imposed on the American economy. The deficit that we now have would have been completely avoided because we would have stopped spending and begun repaying the debt with all the revenue we would be collecting.


People actually believe that shit?
 
^^ I remember Greenspan specifically saying that the tax cuts helped in the recovery following 9/11. As for conspiracy theories and 9/11, well I'm not going to have a debate on that. It's pointless to argue if you think that Bush knowingly let people die on 9/11 so he could fight some kind of daddy-revenge war to enrich his oil cronies.

The numbers Coulter reassigns to Obama for one 9 month period alone in 2009 equate to 13 years of war in Iraq, but you're free to take 100 billion off Obama's numbers every year if you want. After all, the war is winding down so we needn't spend that money anymore, right?
 
Interesting thread to be sure. We haven't seen deficits yet like we'll see if Romney wins and get his tax-cutting entourage in control of both houses of Congress. Republicans have nerve to claim "fiscal conservatism".
 
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