Oregon Basketball Rape Case (NWT)

[deacphan]

i read the report and thought to myself, kids these days obviously watch too much porn. Doing something like this with two other dudes never would have occurred to me at that age (or now).

come now. i've watched a lot of porn in my life. started when i hit puberty and we were all sneaking stolen vids to each other. that shit still grosses me out. it isnt like gang bang borderline rape is a new occurrence.

 

[deacphan]

Look, I don't know what is going on with this beyond the fact that its disturbing on many levels. But some of the people posting on this thread are approaching this like she's a mentally stable young woman with a good support system. We don't know anything about her and can't make this assumption. Hyper-sexual behavior like this is seen in manic depressives and bipolar disordered people. That could explain the morning after sex. No matter what way I read this case, I can't help but think she was taken advantage of in a mental state where she should not have been making decisions.

pretty much anytime the topic of rape comes up on these here boards i want to vomit because i know responses will be awful.

 

[noogadeac]

ok there's theory, then there's practice. "prosecutors are concerned about ethics" in my experience in practice they want convictions, to the point of advancing absurd arguments, and yes i can give specifics. they may not all be like that, but that's the job description--get convictions.

No, the job description is not to get convictions. I've worked as a prosecutor in 3 different jurisdictions, and in none of them was the job description (either explicitly or implicitly) to get convictions. I know how many jury trials I've done, but couldn't tell you what my "record" is. We went forward on cases when we felt we had enough admissible evidence to convict, which is not the same as when we "believed" the person was guilty. We also dismissed cases when we knew the person was guilty, but discovered that the stop or search was improper and the evidence was going to get suppressed. I realize not all prosecutors operate this way, but I believe it is the norm rather than the exception as you appear to believe.

 

[dmcheatw]

sure, and a defense atty's job isn't to provide a legal defense. and a cop's job isn't to make arrests. how could i not have realized this?

a DA may have more than one job, but among the most important is to get convictions. that's assuming you want to move up the ladder anyway.

 

[noogadeac]

sure, and a defense atty's job isn't to provide a legal defense. and a cop's job isn't to make arrests. how could i not have realized this?

a DA may have more than one job, but among the most important is to get convictions. that's assuming you want to move up the ladder anyway.

Remind me again, how many years experience do you have as an ADA?

 

[dmcheatw]

Remind me again, how many years experience do you have as an ADA?

remind me again, what's a red herring? i think it's some sort of bird.

 

[JohnToms]

You have no idea what you are talking about

 

[dmcheatw]

what's with all these posters behind their 30 posts? and i see the taggers out now in full force.

at least i answer my opponents' questions, acknowledge when they've got a point, and don't hide behind aliases or tags. the presumably professional adults i debate with do not afford me the same courtesies.

i have every idea what i'm talking about, anecdotally, in the literature, and in conversation with those like you all on the boards. and then there's common sense. keep calling me names and keep telling me i have "no idea what i'm talking about," and i'll keep trusting that when you have something substantive and well supported to assert, you'll do so, and under your actual OGB persona.

hey, did you guys know hammers aren't for hitting nails? and likely gang rapists shouldn't be charged unless their prosecution is a slam dunk? Not even with a lesser sexual offense charge that might be easier to prove?