this is something I've been wrestling with around the calls to arrest and prosecute Breonna Taylor's killers
I disagree with her. It's not contradictory at all, to me. Society requires a criminal justice system, and Breonna Taylor deserves justice.
I disagree with her. It's not contradictory at all, to me. Society requires a criminal justice system, and Breonna Taylor deserves justice.
then I'd say you aren't a full abolitionist in the sense Eve Ewing is talking about
there is a tension between those calling for both full abolition and for justice for Breonna via arrest and prosecution
Does police abolition always go hand in hand with prison abolition, I don't think that it necessarily does. I'm pretty sure you would find among a strong majority of people that are for abolishing the police/defunding the police they are open to prison reform but not abolishing prisons.
Does police abolition always go hand in hand with prison abolition, I don't think that it necessarily does. I'm pretty sure you would find among a strong majority of people that are for abolishing the police/defunding the police they are open to prison reform but not abolishing prisons.
Possibly - and I think it definitely is if people are calling for their incarceration or to "lock them up." I think there is room for the justice system in both a non-police, non-prison state. There will still be a need for discernment of guilt and proper restitution/restoration.
But to Eve Ewing's point, I doubt many with both exclamations on their timeline are self-reflecting on the nuance and potential contradiction. And the awkward conversation is one that needs to be had in imagining what abolition actually looks like - beyond a catch phrase.
I can definitely say that I dont subscribe to the total abolishment of the criminal justice concept - I think that idea is far too utopian and fantastical. Even our current broken system is capable of justice occasionally.
Glad, you are coming around to reality.
One reason I’m pessimistic about true prison reform is that even people who want to change the criminal justice system have their ugly fantasy of killer cops in prison getting raped and fearing for their lives.
RJ, based on the 1000 shit posts you've made responding to me, you have no clue who I am or what I believe in, so I really don't need your encouragement. You're better off just considering me Karl Marx and ignoring me. BYE.