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Questlove on "How Hip Hop failed Black America"

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When the People Cheer: How Hip-Hop Failed Black America
By Questlove

There are three famous quotes that haunt me and guide me though my days. The first is from John Bradford, the 16th-century English reformer. In prison for inciting a mob, Bradford saw a parade of prisoners on their way to being executed and said, “There but for the grace of God go I.” (Actually, he said “There but for the grace of God goes John Bradford,” but the switch to the pronoun makes it work for the rest of us.) The second comes from Albert Einstein, who disparagingly referred to quantum entanglement as “spooky action at a distance.” And for the third, I go to Ice Cube, the chief lyricist of N.W.A., who delivered this manifesto in “Gangsta Gangsta” back in 1988: “Life ain’t nothing but bitches and money.

Those three ideas may seem distant from one another, but if you set them up and draw lines between them, that’s triangulation. Bradford’s idea, of course, is about providence, about luck and gratitude: You only have your life because you don’t have someone else’s. At the simplest level, I think about that often. I could be where others are, and by extension, they could be where I am. You don’t want to be insensible to that. You don’t want to be an ingrate. (By the by, Bradford’s quote has come to be used to celebrate good fortune — when people say it, they’re comforting themselves with the fact that things could be worse — but in fact, his own good fortune lasted only a few years before he was burned at the stake.)

Einstein was talking about physics, of course, but to me, he’s talking about something closer to home — the way that other people affect you, the way that your life is entangled in theirs whether or not there’s a clear line of connection. Just because something is happening to a street kid in Seattle or a small-time outlaw in Pittsburgh doesn’t mean that it’s not also happening, in some sense, to you. Human civilization is founded on a social contract, but all too often that gets reduced to a kind of charity: Help those who are less fortunate, think of those who are different. But there’s a subtler form of contract, which is the connection between us all.
And then there’s Ice Cube, who seems to be talking about life’s basic appetites — what’s under the lid of the id — but is in fact proposing a world where that social contract is destroyed, where everyone aspires to improve themselves and only themselves, thoughts of others be damned. What kind of world does that create?

Those three ideas, Bradford’s and Einstein’s and Cube’s, define the three sides of a triangle, and I’m standing in it with pieces of each man: Bradford’s rueful contemplation, Einstein’s hair, Ice Cube’s desires. Can the three roads meet without being trivial? This essay, and the ones that follow it, will attempt to find out. I’m going to do things a little differently, with some madness in my method. I may not refer back to these three thinkers and these three thoughts, but they’re always there, hovering, as I think through what a generation of hip-hop has wrought. And I’m not going to handle the argument in a straight line. But don’t wonder too much when it wanders. I’ll get back on track.

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I want to start with a statement: Hip-hop has taken over black music. At some level, this is a complex argument, with many outer rings, but it has a simple, indisputable core. Look at the music charts, or think of as many pop artists as you can, and see how many of the black ones aren’t part of hip-hop. There aren’t many hip-hop performers at the top of the charts lately: You have perennial winners like Jay Z, Kanye West, and Drake, along with newcomers like Kendrick Lamar, and that’s about it. Among women, it’s a little bit more complicated, but only a little bit. The two biggest stars, Beyoncé and Rihanna, are considered pop (or is that pop-soul), but what does that mean anymore? In their case, it means that they’re offering a variation on hip-hop that’s reinforced by their associations with the genre’s biggest stars: Beyoncé with Jay Z, of course, and Rihanna with everyone from Drake to A$AP Rocky to Eminem.

It wasn’t always that way. Back in the late '80s, when I graduated high school, you could count the number of black musical artists that weren’t in hip-hop on two hands — maybe. You had folksingers like Tracy Chapman, rock bands like Living Colour, pop acts like Lionel Richie, many kinds of soul singers — and that doesn’t even contend with megastars like Michael Jackson and Prince, who thwarted any easy categorization. Hip-hop was plenty present — in 1989 alone, you had De La Soul and the Geto Boys and EPMD and Boogie Down Productions and Ice-T and Queen Latifah — but it was just a piece of the pie. In the time since, hip-hop has made like the Exxon Valdez (another 1989 release): It spilled and spread.

So what if hip-hop, which was once a form of upstart black-folk music, came to dominate the modern world? Isn’t that a good thing? It seems strange for an artist working in the genre to be complaining, and maybe I’m not exactly complaining. Maybe I’m taking a measure of my good fortune. Maybe. Or maybe it’s a little more complicated than that. Maybe domination isn’t quite a victory. Maybe everpresence isn’t quite a virtue.
Twenty years ago, when my father first heard about my hip-hop career, he was skeptical. He didn't know where it was all headed. In his mind, a drummer had a real job, like working as music director for Anita Baker. But if I’m going to marvel at the way that hip-hop overcame his skepticism and became synonymous with our broader black American culture, I’m going to have to be clear with myself that marvel is probably the wrong word. Black culture, which has a long tradition of struggling against (and at the same time, working in close collaboration with) the dominant white culture, has rounded the corner of the 21st century with what looks in one sense like an unequivocal victory. Young America now embraces hip-hop as the signal pop-music genre of its time. So why does that victory feel strange: not exactly hollow, but a little haunted?

I have wondered about this for years, and worried about it for just as many years. It’s kept me up at night or kept me distracted during the day. And after looking far and wide, I keep coming back to the same answer, which is this: The reason is simple. The reason is plain. Once hip-hop culture is ubiquitous, it is also invisible. Once it’s everywhere, it is nowhere. What once offered resistance to mainstream culture (it was part of the larger tapestry, spooky-action style, but it pulled at the fabric) is now an integral part of the sullen dominant. Not to mention the obvious backlash conspiracy paranoia: Once all of black music is associated with hip-hop, then Those Who Wish to Squelch need only squelch one genre to effectively silence an entire cultural movement.

And that’s what it’s become: an entire cultural movement, packed into one hyphenated adjective. These days, nearly anything fashioned or put forth by black people gets referred to as “hip-hop,” even when the description is a poor or pointless fit. “Hip-hop fashion” makes a little sense, but even that is confusing: Does it refer to fashions popularized by hip-hop musicians, like my Lego heart pin, or to fashions that participate in the same vague cool that defines hip-hop music? Others make a whole lot of nonsense: “Hip-hop food”? “Hip-hop politics”? “Hip-hop intellectual”? And there’s even “hip-hop architecture.” What the hell is that? A house you build with a Hammer?
This doesn’t happen with other genres. There’s no folk-music food or New Wave fashion, once you get past food for thought and skinny ties. There’s no junkanoo architecture. The closest thing to a musical style that does double-duty as an overarching aesthetic is punk, and that doesn’t have the same strict racial coding. On the one hand, you can point to this as proof of hip-hop’s success. The concept travels. But where has it traveled? The danger is that it has drifted into oblivion. The music originally evolved to paint portraits of real people and handle real problems at close range — social contract, anyone? — but these days, hip-hop mainly rearranges symbolic freight on the black starliner. Containers on the container ship are taken from here to there — and never mind the fact that they may be empty containers. Keep on pushin’ and all that, but what are you pushing against? As it has become the field rather than the object, hip-hop has lost some of its pertinent sting. And then there’s the question of where hip-hop has arrived commercially, or how fast it’s departing. The music industry in general is sliding, and hip-hop is sliding maybe faster than that. The largest earners earn large, but not at the rate they once did. And everyone beneath that upper level is fading fast.

The other day, we ran into an old man who is also an old fan. He loves the Roots and what we do. Someone mentioned the changing nature of the pop-culture game, and it made him nostalgic for the soul music of his youth. “It’ll be back,” he said. “Things go in cycles.” But do they? If you really track the ways that music has changed over the past 200 years, the only thing that goes in cycles is old men talking about how things go in cycles. History is more interested in getting its nut off. There are patterns, of course, boom and bust and ways in which certain resources are exhausted. There are foundational truths that are stitched into the human DNA. But the art forms used to express those truths change without recurring. They go away and don’t come back. When hip-hop doesn’t occupy an interesting place on the pop-culture terrain, when it is much of the terrain and loses interest even in itself, then what?

Back to John Bradford for a moment: I’m lucky to be here. That goes without saying, but I’ll say it. Still, as the Roots round into our third decade, we shoulder a strange burden, which is that people expect us to be both meaningful and popular. We expect that. But those things don’t necessarily work together, especially in the hip-hop world of today. The winners, the top dogs, make art mostly about their own victories and the victory of their genre, but that triumphalist pose leaves little room for anything else. Meaninglessness takes hold because meaninglessness is addictive. People who want to challenge this theory point to Kendrick Lamar, and the way that his music, at least so far, has some sense of the social contract, some sense of character. But is he just the exception that proves the rule? Time will tell. Time is always telling. Time never stops telling.
 
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I hesitate to even post this here, with race discourse at a seeming nadir on here, but it's a really interesting read.
 
"This doesn’t happen with other genres. There’s no folk-music food or New Wave fashion, once you get past food for thought and skinny ties. There’s no junkanoo architecture. The closest thing to a musical style that does double-duty as an overarching aesthetic is punk, and that doesn’t have the same strict racial coding."

This part is simply not true. New Wave had lots of clothes. Country has everything from food to clothes to politics. Folk music absolutely has had a look for over half a century. Many identify folk music with politics and how the followers of this style live. The same thing is true about heavy metal through the decades.

Each one of these genres does have profiling. Country certainly has an ethnic part to it.

I'm not saying there aren't racial code words about hip hop. I'm saying other genres have it as well. A major factor about hip hop is that whites (especially older ones) are afraid of their own inevitable ensuing minority. They strike out in fear and hate to denounce those whom they perceive are doing this "to" them.

As to his premise about "perennial winners", that's the way it has always been and always will be. It was that way with Nat King Cole and Johnny Mathis. It was that way with Smokey, Marvin, The Temptations, Supremes and Aretha. It's that way in pop music as well.
 
I hesitate to even post this here, with race discourse at a seeming nadir on here, but it's a really interesting read.

more like tapir

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And this is the first of a 6 part series, so his thesis hasn't exactly arrived yet.
 
As a drummer I have huge respect for Questlove as a player and technician. He has great chops and he is a bandleader in the way the great drummers like Krupa, Rich, Purdie, etc.

He writes well, but not sure he is saying anything new here, but yeah with hip hop it is on a larger scale. I kinda liked some hip hop early on but as he states, its current ubiquitous-ness and hollowness has zapped its appeal. It doesn't mean as much. His comparison to punk is apropos.

But hey, popular music shouldn't be taken too seriously. It's low art, and that is where I like it. Dance to it. Fuck to it. Drive to it. Throw it away and find something new. Its only rock and roll but I like it.

I'll read the rest of it...
 
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And then there’s Ice Cube, who seems to be talking about life’s basic appetites — what’s under the lid of the id — but is in fact proposing a world where that social contract is destroyed, where everyone aspires to improve themselves and only themselves, thoughts of others be damned. What kind of world does that create?

Ayn Rand certainly predates...maybe Cube was influenced by Gordon Gekko's mantra : "Greed is good". 80's hair music lacked benevolence. He is hardly alone in his quest for "Satisfaction".
 
And this is the first of a 6 part series, so his thesis hasn't exactly arrived yet.

That explains why it feels un-finished, I look forward to reading the rest. Questlove’s obsession with music from a very early age, as well as his involvement in hip hop that started in the early 90s, makes him a very interesting music historian.
 
It really is amazing how hip-hop has become mainstream. It has been a particularly persistent art form. It started out of the tail end of the civil rights movement and grew during the Reagan-Bush era and peaked creatively in the early to mid 90s.

I was at a friend's house awhile back and he had an old school rap station on in the background. We started talking how several rappers from the late 80s on the vanguard of urban counterculture are mainstream multimedia stars now, almost 30 years after they broke out the scene.

LL Cool J and Ice T lead hit TV shows. The dude who rapped "Cop Killer" has been playing a cop for almost 15 years.
Queen Latifah is a queer icon.
Dr. Dre and Ice Cube are from Niggaz Wit Attitudes. Dre is still one of the most well-known producers and Beats by Dre is huge. Ice Cube had a verse in "Burn Hollywood Burn" and is a movie star.

You've got people like Flava Flav and Reverend Run who are still relevant in reality shows.

The Beastie Boys are still relevant.

Even Jay-Z got his start in the late 80s and is still huge.

I'm very curious what Questlove's main point is going to be coming from his position in Jimmy Fallon's house band.
 
Not to step on your toes, Townie, but I saw part II is up:

Mo’ Money, Mo’ Problems: How Hip-Hop Failed Black America, Part II

I've mentioned on the Pit book thread that I'm reading Questlove's book. He talks about how the video for What They Do was meant to mock the excess in rap videos at the time. Apparently it was a bit too close to a Biggie video, which pissed Biggie off because he felt the Roots had mocked him after he had championed them. Questlove and his manager wrote a manifesto about hip hop as a response to Biggie's comments, but then burned it when they found out Biggie had died. I wonder how much of this essay would have been in that manifesto.

 
"What They Do" with the subtitles is the one really mocking them. I didn't think it was even a question that it was a shot at Puff and Biggie and the standard rap videos of the mid-90s.

 
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Thanks for posting, the hurt feelings makes a lot more sense with the subtitles. (Also I laughed out loud at "wow, lightning.")
 
Who’s to blame? It’s hard to say. Certainly, Puff Daddy’s work with the Notorious B.I.G. in the early '90s did plenty to cement the idea of hip-hop as a genre of conspicuous consumption. Before those videos, wealth was evident, but it was also contextualized, given specific character that harmonized with the backgrounds of the artists. Run-DMC had East Coast cool and cachet; Dr. Dre had West Coast cool and cachet. But Puffy had — and wanted to tell everyone he had — a different idea of power, an abstract capitalist cachet. His videos, and the image they projected, played as well in California as in New York, as well in Chicago as in Florida. It was a cartoon idea of wealth, to the point that specific reality no longer mattered. In literary terms, it was pure signifier. It would take him a little while to formulate that into a manifesto, but when he did, he hit it on the nose. “Bad Boy for Life,” in 2001, contained a line that says all that anyone needs to know about this strain of hip-hop: "Don’t worry if I write rhymes / I write checks.” Picasso, baby.

First of all, I swooned like the nerd I am when I read "signifier."

Second, this series is heating up.
 
First of all, I swooned like the nerd I am when I read "signifier."

Second, this series is heating up.

Yeah. Quicker read than last week and very pointed examples.
 
I have to disagree with the common belief that rap has devolved into pure materialistic braggadicio, as if it started as something higher minded; Rakim, Big Daddy Kane, Slick Rick, early Jay-Z - all materialistic braggarts, 90% of their lyrics dealt with how much money they had, how many women they had, how good at fighting they were, and how good their "MC" skills were. The major sea change that I've noticed is the death of storytelling in rap music. I think a lot of the depth and substance of rap was found in the storytelling songs, even when those stories dealt with materialism and rap cliches. Most popular modern rap and hip hop has been homogenized into the simple verse-chorus-verse song structure of repeated themes and sing a long chants - the same as traditional white pop dance music. There are still a lot of storytelling rap artists, but that song structure just isn't popular in that genre, whereas it works really well in popular country music.
 
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You're disagreeing with a point nobody has made. Questlove's point is that the materials are far less attainable.
 
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...we shoulder a strange burden, which is that people expect us to be both meaningful and popular. We expect that. But those things don’t necessarily work together, especially in the hip-hop world of today. The winners, the top dogs, make art mostly about their own victories and the victory of their genre, but that triumphalist pose leaves little room for anything else. Meaninglessness takes hold because meaninglessness is addictive. People who want to challenge this theory point to Kendrick Lamar, and the way that his music, at least so far, has some sense of the social contract, some sense of character. But is he just the exception that proves the rule.

You're disagreeing with a point nobody has made. Questlove's point is that the materials are far less attainable.

I wasn't addressing his main point because I dont quite know what that is yet, but the last paragraph of his first entry hints at a commonly held belief that I disagree with, which is that the shallow materialist/braggadocious bent of popular rap music is a relatively new phenomenom.
 
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