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Supreme Court to hear Voters Right Bill case

Pilgrim said:
Right. Because requesting that you pick up a Texas election ID which you can get for free is exactly like a racist poll tax or literacy test.
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"The Texas voter ID law was blocked by a federal court under the Voting Rights Act last August. The court found that the requirement to show photo identification before casting a ballot would have imposed "strict, unforgiving burdens" on poor minority voters and the cost of the scheme would have fallen disproportionately on blacks and Hispanics."
 
Yes. Because under Section 2 of the VRA which is still good law, there is a general prohibition on voting discrimination.

ITT: people get worked up about things they don't understand.
 
Section 2 contains a general prohibition on voting discrimination, enforced through federal district court litigation. Congress amended this section in 1982, prohibiting any voting practice or procedure that has a discriminatory result. The 1982 amendment provided that proof of intentional discrimination is not required. The provision focused instead on whether the electoral processes are equally accessible to minority voters.[13] This section is permanent and does not require renewal.
 
Pilgrim said:
Right. Because requesting that you pick up a Texas election ID which you can get for free is exactly like a racist poll tax or literacy test.
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There are 80 counties in TX that don't have DMVs. Some people will have to travel over 50 miles each way. that ain't free.

This is absolutely voter suppression with race, party and economics as its reasoning.

There is no justification for it.
 
The Texas thing is pretty weird, though. My understanding is the entire Texas proposed law was modeled wholesale off the Indiana law (which, I believe, passed Section 5).
 
Wakeforest22890 said:
Well under the formula of the VRA neither Florida nor Ohio were covered states, so Section 4 and 5 of the VRA doesn't apply to them. Neither was Pennsylvania, another state you've consistently brought up as putting hurdles in the way.
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Surprised me that Alaska and Arizona were covered, but Florida and North Carolina weren't. Will slow down the shift of TX and AZ (and perhaps GA in the longer term) into purple states and makes NC and FL even more important in presidential elections. VA becomes a lot more problematic for the Dems. Doesn't really matter in the other covered states in presidential elections, but will make it much harder for the Dems to hold and/or pick up seats in the House in LA, MS, AL, and SC.
 
These laws should absolutely be ruled unconstitutional. They have nothing to do with protecting the validity of the vote. They are about intentionally disenfranchising political opponents.

There is zero evidence that voter ID laws protect anyone. There is ample evidence that legitimate people would be prevented from voting.

There is ample evidence that shortening voting hours suppresses e vote.

There is ample evidence that the number of polling places and days of voting have been manipulated to suppress the vote.

Hell the Speaker of the House of PA and the Chairman of the FL GOP each have said this was the reason.

anyone who thinks voter ID laws and all the other machinations are anything other that racist, partisan, ageist, economic based voter suppression is delusional or intentionally dishonest.
 
Just because some advocates of an idea have bad motives doesn't mean it's a bad idea, nor does it impute these motives to everyone who believes it is a good idea.
 
bobknightfan said:
The Republicans won a comfortable majority of seats in last year U.S. House races in spite of the fact that the Democrats got a total of 600,000 more votes in those races than the Republicans got. Obviously, the weight of all gerrymandering in this country is weighted decidedly in the Republicans' favor.
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Gerrymandering has essentially been held up by the SCOTUS, you're talking about apples when this law was about oranges.
 
Wakeforest22890 said:
Just because some advocates of an idea have bad motives doesn't mean it's a bad idea, nor does it impute these motives to everyone who believes it is a good idea.
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The express purpose of these laws to suppress the vote of those not voting Republican otherwise some Dems would be proposing such laws.

The results of the laws are intentional voter suppression. You can't not admit this.

There is no problem with voter impersonation. Study after study in state after state and nationally have proven this.

Given this fact, if you are being honest, you'd admit why these laws are being passed.

It's is modern day, high-tech Jim Crow pure and simple. Not admitting it is condoning partisan attempts to fix elections and be racist.
 
Gerrymandering is a long American tradition. SCOTUS won't touch it, and Congress has no incentive to ban it (just the opposite). It's going to get worse because the statistical, mapping, and computer analytical tools continue to get better and better at pinpointing voters. The Dems did their thing in NC after the 2000 census, the GOP went even further after the 2010 census, and if the Dems are back in power in NC in 2020 or 2030 you can bet they'll flog the GOP even harder. It will go on until we get some kind of redistricting reform. Ahnold got it done in California and it's probably the best legacy he left for the state.
 
Deacon923 said:
Gerrymandering is a long American tradition. SCOTUS won't touch it, and Congress has no incentive to ban it (just the opposite). It's going to get worse because the statistical, mapping, and computer analytical tools continue to get better and better at pinpointing voters. The Dems did their thing in NC after the 2000 census, the GOP went even further after the 2010 census, and if the Dems are back in power in NC in 2020 or 2030 you can bet they'll flog the GOP even harder. It will go on until we get some kind of redistricting reform. Ahnold got it done in California and it's probably the best legacy he left for the state.
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See my post at the top of this page.
 
Texas is already re-instituting the previously stopped ID law. I hope Holder shows some balls and sues them.

Jim Crow 2010s starting already.
 
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