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The US economy has grown faster under Democrats than Republicans

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...but it's a lot of luck

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“SINCE 1961…the Republicans have held the White House 28 years, the Democrats 24,” said Bill Clinton in 2012. “In those 52 years, our private economy has produced 66m private-sector jobs. So what’s the jobs score? Republicans 24m, Democrats 42[m].” In the two years since, Barack Obama has increased the Democrats’ lead by close to 5m.

Since the second world war the economy has done better under Democratic presidents, who have overseen more job creation and higher stockmarket returns than Republican leaders. During this time the economy has grown about 1.8 percentage points faster when a Democrat occupies the White House (see chart). Messrs Clinton and Obama credit their economic policies. But new research suggests it has more to do with luck.

Alan Blinder and Mark Watson, economists at Princeton University, studied the last 16 presidential terms—from Harry Truman’s second to Mr Obama’s first—to find out why the economy has grown faster under Democrats. They were quickly able to rule out some possible explanations, like a president’s age and experience, or which party controlled Congress. Though one might surmise that Democratic presidents inherited hardier economies than Republican ones, they actually tended to take over when times were more difficult.

Messrs Blinder and Watson then looked at the impact of fiscal and monetary policy. But neither seemed to explain why the economy favoured Democratic presidents. The average difference in the federal budget deficit between Democratic and Republican administrations is too small to be significant, concluded the authors. And though the parties have different tax philosophies, changes to policy have had little influence on growth. Ronald Reagan slashed taxes for the rich, whereas Mr Clinton raised them. Still, both presidents presided over impressive economic expansions.

Interest rates have generally risen under Democrats and fallen under Republicans, so any advantage from monetary policy “would seem to have favoured Republican presidents”, say the authors. If anything, both fiscal and monetary policy “seem to be a bit more stabilising” under Republican presidents.

Much of the growth under Democratic presidents has been the result of private-sector investment and increased consumption. They have been blessed with lower oil prices, larger increases in productivity and better global economic conditions. The timing of Democratic presidents appears impeccable compared with Republicans—Mr Clinton took office just as the technology sector began to boom, whereas George W. Bush could not get out before the financial crisis.

But it is not all down to luck. Oil prices were affected by the Gulf and Iraq wars. Mr Clinton’s budget cuts probably helped facilitate the long growth spell of the 1990s. And Mr Bush’s housing policy (along with that of his predecessors, including Democrats) did little to discourage the risky loans that fuelled the meltdown in 2008. In the end, the authors are probably right to conclude that the growth gap between Democratic and Republican presidents is explained by good luck, with perhaps a touch of good policy.

link - http://www.economist.com/news/unite...everything?fsrc=scn/tw/te/pe/timingeberything
 
Just looking at that graph, I'd be pretty surprised if Jimmy Carter's presidency really saw over 3%+ growth on average for his presidency...unless it was nominal growth or something.
 
The reality also is St. Ronnie trebled the national debt saying it was OK to do so. Daddy Bush set records for deficits. Clinton not only cut the Reagan/Bush deficits. He created a surplus.

The W eliminated the Clinton surpluses and left Obama with a $1.4T last deficit. With no help from Congress in the past five years, Obama's early policies have cut W's deficits by over 50%.

The reality is the GOP bitches about deficits. Then they create record ones. Then the following Dems fix it for them.
 
Just looking at that graph, I'd be pretty surprised if Jimmy Carter's presidency really saw over 3%+ growth on average for his presidency...unless it was nominal growth or something.

Carter was done in by a really bad 1980 not a bad four-year run for the economy
 
Average Stock market returns for Democratic Presidents are a little over 10% going back over a century, Average returns with Republican Presidents over the same period a little over 6%. Adds credence to the old adage "If you want to live like a republican, vote Democratic"
 
A lot of rich people have gotten a lot richer under Obama.
 
The top 1% brainwash every conservative in this country into believing that everyone with a job is "middle class", as if they're the frontline in class warfare with the poor.
 
The reality also is St. Ronnie trebled the national debt saying it was OK to do so. Daddy Bush set records for deficits. Clinton not only cut the Reagan/Bush deficits. He created a surplus.

The W eliminated the Clinton surpluses and left Obama with a $1.4T last deficit. With no help from Congress in the past five years, Obama's early policies have cut W's deficits by over 50%.

The reality is the GOP bitches about deficits. Then they create record ones. Then the following Dems fix it for them.

What's the current deficit?
 
What's the current deficit?

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-04-14/u-s-deficit-cut-almost-one-third-to-492-billion-cbo.html

"The U.S. government’s deficit will fall to $492 billion this year, according to the Congressional Budget Office, a steeper drop than originally predicted from $680 billion in fiscal year 2013.

The 2014 deficit will be 2.8 percent of the economy, according to CBO, almost 32 percent below fiscal year 2013, when it was 4.1 percent. The deficit will shrink again in fiscal 2015 to $469 billion,
before rising to about $1 trillion in fiscal years 2022 to 2024, CBO said."

A couple things to think about 2022 is that the economy will have expanded by then also and that's when boomers really start retiring.
 
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-04-14/u-s-deficit-cut-almost-one-third-to-492-billion-cbo.html

"The U.S. government’s deficit will fall to $492 billion this year, according to the Congressional Budget Office, a steeper drop than originally predicted from $680 billion in fiscal year 2013.

The 2014 deficit will be 2.8 percent of the economy, according to CBO, almost 32 percent below fiscal year 2013, when it was 4.1 percent. The deficit will shrink again in fiscal 2015 to $469 billion,
before rising to about $1 trillion in fiscal years 2022 to 2024, CBO said."

A couple things to think about 2022 is that the economy will have expanded by then also and that's when boomers really start retiring.

Hooray!!! We have record revenue and still have a half trillion a year in deficits. That's sustainable.
 
We should just about always have record revenue. Hence GDP growth
 
Hooray!!! We have record revenue and still have a half trillion a year in deficits. That's sustainable.

W's last deficit was 10.1% of GDP.

Obama's most recent is 2.8% of GDP.

Hmmm which is better?

P.S. St. Ronnie averages 4.2% of GDP and were growing.
 
You can't wish away what has been added to our national debt since Obama took office, despite two consecutive years of record revenues derived from large tax increases (BTW, remember "not one single dime...". LOL).

http://politix.topix.com/story/7027-heres-the-deficit-under-clinton-bush-and-Obama

Since I believe the $800M stimulus was part of the 2009 budget, the 09 deficit should then be shared between Bush and Obama. Either way, Obama has racked up some huge budgets, particularly when he had both the house and the senate.
 
Your link doesn't work.
 
You can't wish away what has been added to our national debt since Obama took office, despite two consecutive years of record revenues derived from large tax increases (BTW, remember "not one single dime...". LOL).

http://politix.topix.com/story/7027-heres-the-deficit-under-clinton-bush-and-Obama

Since I believe the $800M stimulus was part of the 2009 budget, the 09 deficit should then be shared between Bush and Obama. Either way, Obama has racked up some huge budgets, particularly when he had both the house and the senate.

You can't laugh away the fact that the deficits were exploding under W, just as they had under St. Ronnie and Daddy Bush. After each irresponsible Republican POTUS a Dem brought the situation under control.

If not for the GOP House hating Obama more than they love America the deficits would be lower and revenues would even be higher. The roads bill (that passed the Senate with a majority of Republicans supporting it) would have cut at least 1% from unemployment, cut the costs of safety net programs, created tax from individuals and corporations.

Additionally due to the costs of materials, labor, interest and less repairs being needed versus putting them off, that bill would have saved hundreds of billions of dollars short and long term. The reason it didn't do so is 100% on the coward that Boehner and extremist House Republicans. There is no way around this fact.
 
This thread is going to make for some very constructive discussions.
 
You can't wish away what has been added to our national debt since Obama took office, despite two consecutive years of record revenues derived from large tax increases (BTW, remember "not one single dime...". LOL).

http://politix.topix.com/story/7027-heres-the-deficit-under-clinton-bush-and-Obama

Since I believe the $800M stimulus was part of the 2009 budget, the 09 deficit should then be shared between Bush and Obama. Either way, Obama has racked up some huge budgets, particularly when he had both the house and the senate.

That's what happens when you take over an economy that is losing 700K jobs per month for 8 momths straight.

And we generally have "record revenues" historically about 80% of the time. Not some crazy unsustainable amount.

Now he certainly isn't some deficit hawk like some on the left try to make him sound like but anybody who is honest with themselves should admit that an R would have faced the exact some multiple years of $1 trillion plus deficits. Well, either that or a depression.

The Pubs would have enacted some stimulus. It would have been more heavily tax breaks but would have included some unemployment and food stamps. Letting Americans starve isn't good politics.
 
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