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Tourney Time: WF v. ND - Tuesday 7 pm ACCN

Wake is currently #170 on KenPom. Manning's worst season was 174. I'd really like for this season to not fall below anything that buffoon did.

Obviously that needs to improve but I don’t think the Covid impact can be overstated given the loss of practice time, the loss of players, and the loss of warm up games to let the team gel.
 
On the gambling show on ESPN2 right now, the guy just said in passing, “Wake is terrible!“ He’s not wrong.
 
On the gambling show on ESPN2 right now, the guy just said in passing, “Wake is terrible!“ He’s not wrong.

ha, had no idea gambling shows existed now. Just stopped by this thread to say that I wish there were Monday night ACC Tournament games. If there were we would have played in a lot of them in the last 10 years.
 
SHOCK THE WORLD!

Let's win a game in the Ronnie Wellman ACCT Tuesday Invitational! :dumb:
 
Cory Alexander tomorrow. It's only the third time this season he's called a Wake game -- feels like there were a lot more the previous two seasons. But he called the WF-ND game in South Bend and obviously the GT game on Friday night.
Don't shoot the messenger.

Perhaps ESPN is figuring it out- put Cory on the games that no one watches.
 
I get why folks aren't looking forward to this game, but I'm straight up excited that I'll get to experience the moment when I know I'll never have to watch this team play basketball ever again. When that clock hits zero I'm going to raise a shot of the absolute worst liquor I have in the house to celebrate the miserable camaraderie of diehard Wake basketball fans, and to revel in the decade of uselessness we've all endured. Better times lay ahead. #TheLastRockBottom
 
Bottom line: KP projects a 76-67 ND win in 67 possessions. Would like to build a case on how WF wins this game, but our Deacs are in free fall, and we haven't hit bottom. WF's current run: losses by 24, 18, 21, 38, 13 and 12. Not one of those double digit losses came against a dominating opponent (no WF opponent rated higher than #31 during that stretch). So, WF has been non-competitive six times in a row against middling teams. Putrid. WF plays another middling team in #68 ND tomorrow. While ND is fully capable of losing to a crappy team (see the recent loss to BC), our Deacs have been unable to hang against any team in any situation. Looking like another WF season ends with a Tuesday whimper... At least, we are used to it.

Well, I was kind of hoping a 38 point loss would at least symbolically be the bottom.
 
2007 was the Harvey Hale OT game vs Georgia Tech. We got hammered the next day in the quarterfinals by longtime ACC hoop power Virginia Tech

WF’s last appearance in the ACCT Semis was 2006. How old was Carter Whitt in spring 2006? 3?
That was our run to the semis as a low seed.
 
I get why folks aren't looking forward to this game, but I'm straight up excited that I'll get to experience the moment when I know I'll never have to watch this team play basketball ever again. When that clock hits zero I'm going to raise a shot of the absolute worst liquor I have in the house to celebrate the miserable camaraderie of diehard Wake basketball fans, and to revel in the decade of uselessness we've all endured. Better times lay ahead. #TheLastRockBottom
I admire your optimism. First, need to find some players. Hopefully help is on the way.
 
I get why folks aren't looking forward to this game, but I'm straight up excited that I'll get to experience the moment when I know I'll never have to watch this team play basketball ever again. When that clock hits zero I'm going to raise a shot of the absolute worst liquor I have in the house to celebrate the miserable camaraderie of diehard Wake basketball fans, and to revel in the decade of uselessness we've all endured. Better times lay ahead. #TheLastRockBottom

Sounds like you would have preferred that 2pm slot.

I, however, am comforted by the fact that we won't be the first team eliminated this year!
 
My "favorite" recent Wake Forest ACC Tourney memory is beating an absolutely terrible Notre Dame team in 2014... And then having the next year's Notre Dame team go 32-6, win the ACC Tourney, and get all the way to the Elite 8 (losing by 2 to #1 seed UK, 68-66).

All while we continued to suck... 13-19 (5-13).

That ND team lost two seniors who were major contributors and somehow got WAY better in just one season. Amazing.
 
Imagine for a moment taking out Carolina in Wednesday’s game. Now wake up and come back to reality.
 
Sounds like you would have preferred that 2pm slot.

I, however, am comforted by the fact that we won't be the first team eliminated this year!

Have we had any Tuesday night tourney games? I just remember watching these on my laptop in the afternoon while working.
 
Sounds like you would have preferred that 2pm slot.

I, however, am comforted by the fact that we won't be the first team eliminated this year!

Exactly. I predict we make a deep run late into the night of this tournament... Tuesday night around 9PM
 
I’m a sucker. Love WF basketball. Through years of suckitude. Crazy as it sounds, when the season ends, I will be sad.

Will look forward to next year, and even if likely means more disappointment.
 
College basketball fans wait all year for March. Tourney time! Championship Week. Can you feel the excitement? Not so much for the Deacon faithful.

Recent WF ACC Tourney History

For WF fans, in recent years, March Madness starts (and always ends) with the ACC Tournament. Alas, for the Deacon faithful, since Skip Prosser's untimely passing in 2007, the ACC Tournament means an early play-in game and a quick exit. Yes, WF has had some terrible teams under Dino (not so much under Dino, but his 0-3 ACC tournament record as a favorite in each game was just foreshadowing of future Deacon misery), Buzz and DM; even so WF's 2-13 ACC Tournament record under those three coaches is particularly nauseating when considering that all of those 13 ACC Tourney losses have come in an opening round game against other teams who have similarly horrible (or even worse) seasons than our Deacs. It really is hard to be that bad, but WF has essentially gone 2-13 against the bottom of the conference barrel. Even after weak regular seasons, our Deacs find a way to play below expectation every year in the conference tourney. WF's pathetic March Tournament record has left no doubt that WF is truly the worst of the worst. So, we have that going for us....

Consider that from March 2007 to date (we have had 4 Presidents during this time; so, that's two new Presidents per every WF ACC tournament win), WF's TWO (as in the number less than three) ACC tournament wins have come against a 15-17 (#96) Notre Dame team in 2014 (Buzz's last win as a WF coach), and a victory over a 9-23 (#173) BC (one of the worst teams in ACC history) in 2017. That's the list.

Think about it... over the last 14 seasons, the high point for WF's basketball in ACC Tournament action was the Deacs's March 12, 2014 win over 11th place Notre Dame on play-in Wednesday (the ACC Tournament started a day later that year). Wow, that was fun; do you remember the game? I don't, except being slightly annoyed that it extended the Buzz's run by a day. Just to ensure that WF fans faced an immediate buzz-kill (get it?), after the ND win, a mediocre Pitt team annihilated the Deacs 84-55 the next day. Woo hoo!

For those that have cleansed their memory of the DM era, last year, WF opened the abbreviated ACC Tournament (yes, COVID ended the tournament almost before it started, but WF still managed to promptly exit) by losing to a last place Pitt team that entered the ACC Tournament on a seven game losing streak. The best news that WF fans have had in March is that the ACC Tournament ended the tenure of some recent horrible coaching hires. With that stellar history behind us, here is a preview of ND.

A link to detailed of ND's season and personnel can be found here: https://www.ogboards.com/forums/showthread.php/32835-WF-at-the-Irish-EARLY-START-Tuesday-5-pm-ACCN from WF's February 2nd game against ND.

Irish season update: After dominating WF on February 2, ND went on mini-run losing at the buzzer at GT, beating Duke on the road and Miami at home. At that point, ND had moved up to #57 on the KP ratings and some claimed that Irish was on the verge of the bubble. In the Irish's next game, they held a 20 point 2nd half lead at Cuse, but then, the collapse. Cuse went on 30-5 run, and the Irish season went into the tank. The low point, was a 94-90 loss to a bad BC team with 5 scholarship players; followed by, a no-show double digit home loss to NC State. ND wrapped up the regular season with an inexplicable 10 point win over FSU. in that game, ND only played 7 players, but 5 scored in double figures. PG Prentiss Hubb led the Irish with 22 points and 5 assists.

Analytics: Simply put: ND is a decent offensive team, and poor defensive team. Offensively, ND doesn't commit TOs (1st in the ACC in offensive TO%), and they can shoot (4th in the ACC in effective FG%, 5th in 3 PT%, 2nd in 2 PT%). That said, ND doesn't offensive rebound (last in the ACC), and they don't draw fouls (12th in the ACC in FTA per FGA). Defensively, ND is soft. They are last in the ACC in forcing TOs, last in steals and because their defense is passive, ND doesn't foul (1st in defensive FTA per FGA). ND has no bench (#336 nationally in bench minutes, but they are tall and experienced (#13th nationally in height and #45 in experience).

Bottom line: KP projects a 76-67 ND win in 67 possessions. Would like to build a case on how WF wins this game, but our Deacs are in free fall, and we haven't hit bottom. WF's current run: losses by 24, 18, 21, 38, 13 and 12. Not one of those double digit losses came against a dominating opponent (no WF opponent rated higher than #31 during that stretch). So, WF has been non-competitive six times in a row against middling teams. Putrid. WF plays another middling team in #68 ND tomorrow. While ND is fully capable of losing to a crappy team (see the recent loss to BC), our Deacs have been unable to hang against any team in any situation. Looking like another WF season ends with a Tuesday whimper... At least, we are used to it.

Hard to deal with the historical facts but yet must compliment you on such a brutally thorough review. Definately your best pre-game stuff to date.
 
Have we had any Tuesday night tourney games? I just remember watching these on my laptop in the afternoon while working.

The 2018 game in Brooklyn was a night game, almost positive. Lost to Syracuse and Barclays was very orange.
 
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