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W-S City Council Approves Purchase of the Joel for $8 million

Duncan said:
do we though? must everything be sold? UNC and Duke are doing just fine without selling out. I think Wake needs to tell the story of Joel more than they need additional BB&T money.
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I've often wondered if we're just selling the naming rights for a few years to fund facility upgrades and then will let them expire. Lowe's and Charlotte Motor Speedway ended their naming rights after a decade or so, and our agreement with BB&T for the football stadium was 10 years I believe.
 
Duncan said:
do we though? must everything be sold? UNC and Duke are doing just fine without selling out. I think Wake needs to tell the story of Joel more than they need additional BB&T money.
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I'm not disagreeing with your principals, but Ronnie and Bz are driving the basketball ship. Right now our basketball program resembles UNC and Duke about like the Warthogs resemble the Yankees. Where else are they going to get the money?
 
the Lawrence Joel name will be a huge topic of discussion during negotiations IMO

the Fairgrounds are currently not included in any sale
 
Been discussed plenty. I know Joel was a hero and I definitely think the city should honor him. They should take some of the millions we are paying them and build a monument somewhere. Lawrence Joel was not affiliated with Wake and we are purchasing a property for sporting events, not a national park. And we should put whatever donor's name helps us pay for the damn thing, as obviously ticket sales aren't going to do it.
 
ctdeac13 said:
A big sticking point with keeping the name Lawrence Joel is that he was apparently a big UNC fan.
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He won the Congressional Medal of Honor. That's way more important than if he rooted for UNC or Central Piedmont Community College.
 
Duncan said:
do we though? must everything be sold? UNC and Duke are doing just fine without selling out. I think Wake needs to tell the story of Joel more than they need additional BB&T money.
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Come on guys, let's pool our money together to buy the naming rights, how about Wake Basketball Memorial Coliseum
 
Turd Ferguson said:
Been discussed plenty. I know Joel was a hero and I definitely think the city should honor him. They should take some of the millions we are paying them and build a monument somewhere. Lawrence Joel was not affiliated with Wake and we are purchasing a property for sporting events, not a national park. And we should put whatever donor's name helps us pay for the damn thing, as obviously ticket sales aren't going to do it.
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perfectly said.
 
I don't think that we have any obligation to keep the LJVM name. That's the city's responsibility.
 
DinDC said:
He won the Congressional Medal of Honor. That's way more important than if he rooted for UNC or Central Piedmont Community College.
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I understand that and I agree. I am just pointing out the fact that he was a UNC fan and that it has been brought up in discussions.
 
tsywake said:
I've often wondered if we're just selling the naming rights for a few years to fund facility upgrades and then will let them expire. Lowe's and Charlotte Motor Speedway ended their naming rights after a decade or so, and our agreement with BB&T for the football stadium was 10 years I believe.
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Wake Forest ain't turning down free money.
 
Duncan said:
do we though? must everything be sold? UNC and Duke are doing just fine without selling out. I think Wake needs to tell the story of Joel more than they need additional BB&T money.
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On March 9, 1967 on the White House lawn, President Lyndon Johnson presented Joel with the Medal of Honor for his service in the Vietnam War. His citation reads as follows:
For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at the risk of life above and beyond the call of duty. SP6. Joel demonstrated indomitable courage, determination, and professional skill when a numerically superior and well-concealed Viet Cong element launched a vicious attack which wounded or killed nearly every man in the lead squad of the company. After treating the men wounded by the initial burst of gunfire, he bravely moved forward to assist others who were wounded while proceeding to their objective. While moving from man to man, he was struck in the right leg by machine gun fire. Although painfully wounded his desire to aid his fellow soldiers transcended all personal feeling. He bandaged his own wound and self-administered morphine to deaden the pain enabling him to continue his dangerous undertaking. Through this period of time, he constantly shouted words of encouragement to all around him. Then, completely ignoring the warnings of others, and his pain, he continued his search for wounded, exposing himself to hostile fire; and, as bullets dug up the dirt around him, he held plasma bottles high while kneeling completely engrossed in his life saving mission. Then, after being struck a second time and with a bullet lodged in his thigh, he dragged himself over the battlefield and succeeded in treating 13 more men before his medical supplies ran out. Displaying resourcefulness, he saved the life of one man by placing a plastic bag over a severe chest wound to congeal the blood. As 1 of the platoons pursued the Viet Cong, an insurgent force in concealed positions opened fire on the platoon and wounded many more soldiers. With a new stock of medical supplies, Sp6c. Joel again shouted words of encouragement as he crawled through an intense hail of gunfire to the wounded men. After the 24 hour battle subsided and the Viet Cong dead numbered 410, snipers continued to harass the company. Throughout the long battle, Sp6c. Joel never lost sight of his mission as a medical aidman and continued to comfort and treat the wounded until his own evacuation was ordered. His meticulous attention to duty saved a large number of lives and his unselfish, daring example under most adverse conditions was an inspiration to all. Sp6c. Joel's profound concern for his fellow soldiers, at the risk of his life above and beyond the call of duty are in the highest traditions of the U.S. Army and reflect great credit upon himself and the Armed Forces of his country.
 
Say Hey Deac said:
He's the President of a top-25 university releasing a letter to the campus community at large on a significant matter. His letters are written as such, so as not to resemble a casually-drafted email or a post written on this message board. Criticizing him for composing a professionally-worded letter is silly, IMO.
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He's a college president (chief academic bureaucrat) of a small private university, he's not Secretary-General of the United Nations, President of the United States, Governor of a large state, or CEO of Microsoft, all of whom typically sound more like real people than N. Hatch (and why does the president of Wake Forest now need or rate a "cabinet"? That sounds pompous as hell). A "professionally-worded" letter does not mean that it has to sound like something a PR flack produced. Effective communication is a leadership skill.
 
Well known that Hatch is a poor public speaker - esp given his role as pres of a top private U. Ask any administrator. I've seen it myself in alumni meetings. He's a good writer thoiugh IMO.
 
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