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Wake can't afford to KEEP Manning

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It seems a common refrain is “Wake can’t afford to pay Manning’s buyout” or “Wake won’t fire Manning because his buyout is too much.” It seems this misses one key point: Wake loses money by keeping him. Per Connor’s recent article, average attendance this season was going to finish around 6,750, the lowest ever in the Joel, and it has decreased every season of Manning’s tenure. Also, If my math is correct, he says Wake averaged just shy of 12K in Dino’s last year. So I think it’s safe to say that Wake could average around 6k per game next season, if Manning comes back. So to me that is the baseline – you pay Manning whatever his salary is next season and then you bring in whatever game revenue 6k fans gets you.

So now lets say Wake has 15 home games. And each person in attendance brings in $30 (ticket, parking, etc). I have no idea how accurate a number that is – just a totally guess/estimate. I figure that number is much higher for a few games and much lower for some others. Again, just a guess for the average over the season. If you can bring in another 2k per game to average 8K a game, you are looking at an extra $900k for the season. Increase attendance by 4K (up to 10K/game), and you get an extra $1.8M for the season. I dare say that is enough to pay a Forbes, Kelsey, Miller, etc. If you can get attendance back up to the 12K range, you are looking at $2.7M more per season.

Like I said, this is a total swag, and here are a few things I am not really taking into consideration, all of which probably understate my calcs. As fan enthusiasm increases and average attendance increases, the average price per fan likely increases. You can charge more for the better games that start selling out and you don’t have to sell $1 tickets for the worst games. Plus you can schedule better non-conference games that bring in better attendance. Think Kansas instead of Houston Baptist. For my math, I just used the same $30/game for Manning’s baseline amount as I did for the increased attendance amount. I’m also sure increased Deacon Club donations will follow better b-ball success, and I would think that the same goes for ad revenue, sponsorships, etc. So if you start getting the results/enthusiasm that bring in 12K per game, you’re probably really looking at something like an extra $4-5M a season. Just as a comparison, it looks like Beilein was making $3.8M in his last season at Mich. And it looks like Chris Mack and Jay Wright make around $4M. I’m not saying we should/can hire them - just showing that a coach like that probably pays for himself by winning. Even on top of what is already being paid to Manning.

Anybody want to take a stab at some more accurate numbers? Am I too high or too low? Missing anything else?
 
Yeah, the same discussion has occurred a number of times. Sunk cost, lost revenue, etc...hopefully Currie (and Hatch) understand the basics of econ.
 
Average attendance at the Joel officially closed at 6,904.
 
I mean we can obviously afford to keep him because we have kept him and will continue to keep him.
 
Average attendance at the Joel officially closed at 6,904.

Do you happen to have the avg attendance numbers each season since Dino's least season? I would be curious to see when the big drops happened, and if there was any bounce in Manning's first season. It just seems that we could really have a big drop-off if Manning is retained once again. I think there was a small glimmer of hope this season with Wellman going away. If it looks like it is more of the same BS this offseason with Currie, I think a lot more will just give up the last threads of hope.
 
Do you happen to have the avg attendance numbers each season since Dino's least season? I would be curious to see when the big drops happened, and if there was any bounce in Manning's first season. It just seems that we could really have a big drop-off if Manning is retained once again. I think there was a small glimmer of hope this season with Wellman going away. If it looks like it is more of the same BS this offseason with Currie, I think a lot more will just give up the last threads of hope.
201011,833
20119,199
20128,675
20139,614
20149,000
20159,685
20169,520
20179,825
20188,425
20197,626
20206,904
 
It all depends on how those in power add in a risk analysis. If dollars are the basis for a decision - one could make an argument to stay with a known but financial basis which may well be acceptable to some. That is, throw in millions from ESPN to account for lost tickets with a fixed coach cost - versus a risk of not selling more tickets, plus a buyout cost, and the risk of the unknown of a new coach. Of course from our point of view, it is more than a financial basis; we want to win hang the cost. We put much value on winning. They perhaps dont and would rather stay the financial course.
 
201011,833
20119,199
20128,675
20139,614
20149,000
20159,685
20169,520
20179,825
20188,425
20197,626
20206,904
So, DFL Danny isn't even maintaining Bzzzzkill's attendance numbers.

That's all the damming information you need to know he's got to go.
 
201011,833
20119,199
20128,675
20139,614
20149,000
20159,685
20169,520
20179,825
20188,425
20197,626
20206,904

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201011,833
20119,199
20128,675
20139,614
20149,000
20159,685
20169,520
20179,825
20188,425
20197,626
20206,904

So there was a huge decrease in redacted's first season - I guess losing to Stetson in your first game will dampen enthusiasm. Then a strange bump in 2013 - wonder what went on there? Then a bump for Manning's first season. You have to think another year of [Redacted] in 2015 would have led to an average more in the low 8K range. And now a free fall in the last 3 years. Between his own salary, Manning's "buyout" and the attendance decreases - Ron Wellman sure cost Wake a shit-ton of money the last 10 years or so.
 
Those 5000 between Dino's last year and Manning's current year (sure to drop again next year) would spend a lot on tickets, parking, concessions and DC donations. Not to mention the ad revenue Wake could generate from the ads inside the Joel with 5000K more eyes per game to advertise to.
 
6000 extra tickets sold at $30 in revenues (tix/concessions/parking) times 18 home games= $3.24M more that we pay Daniel before we bank penny in extra money

SHAKA would EASILY pay for himself at $5M.
 
2020 vs. 2010=about 4900 less. At only $50 in revenue, it is a loss of $245,000/game. That's over $3.5million for 15 home games.
 
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