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Wake vs Canes - On the deuce

I'm having hot dogs for lunch.
 
I have no idea how you fix this. Crawford is our most talented player. He is also our most erratic and unpredictable player. IMO, Woods is our best shooter, but far from our best defender and ball-handler. Chill occupies the ball too much (way too much) but is a decent one-on-one defender and plays hard. Brown has talent and needs to play more, but gets lost at times. Sarr and Mitchell have size and talent, but do not look comfortable on the floor and make really poor decisions at times. So, we have players but we are also deficient in terms of size on the perimeter and experience on the part of our best athletes and self-control on the part of our most talented and our hardest working players.

This is what makes UVA so remarkable. They have the right players at the right positions and every player is programed to make the right moves on both offense and defense. They don't have the most talented or athletic players in the conference; but they have the right players for their scheme...players who do just what they need for them to do in order to be successful. That is masterful coaching, both recruiting and training. It is also quite amazing in the ACC.
 
daaberry said:
Although it felt like the comeback was never going to be complete, Wake did have the ball down 4 with 10-15 seconds left & Chill shot that lean in 3 that missed. if that goes in then Wake has the final shot to win/tie after the next 2 Cane FTs.
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And it was actually down to 3, but we had to foul and the guy made one of two. It was a long shot at that point but even if we get a two in that case, the pressure is really on the Canes to make two FT's next time down.
 
mebanedeac said:
I have no idea how you fix this. Crawford is our most talented player. He is also our most erratic and unpredictable player. IMO, Woods is our best shooter, but far from our best defender and ball-handler. Chill occupies the ball too much (way too much) but is a decent one-on-one defender and plays hard. Brown has talent and needs to play more, but gets lost at times. Sarr and Mitchell have size and talent, but do not look comfortable on the floor and make really poor decisions at times. So, we have players but we are also deficient in terms of size on the perimeter and experience on the part of our best athletes and self-control on the part of our most talented and our hardest working players.

This is what makes UVA so remarkable. They have the right players at the right positions and every player is programed to make the right moves on both offense and defense. They don't have the most talented or athletic players in the conference; but they have the right players for their scheme...players who do just what they need for them to do in order to be successful. That is masterful coaching, both recruiting and training. It is also quite amazing in the ACC.
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It starts with having a scheme. If you don't have one, you obviously can't recruit for one.

Our problem is clear - we are very bad on defense. We have no defensive identity - we don't try to pressure the ball handler/guards to create TOs, we don't pack in the defense to improve rebounding and defense against short range shots, we don't play majority zone, etc. There are many defensive options to chose from, and they are usually chosen as part of an overall plan (including offensive strategy), but we don't seem to have any defensive direction besides, "cover your man." During the key stretch of the second half last night, as we were going from even to down 13, we made no defensive stops. Miami scored on possession after possession, and that's not new for Wake under Manning (or Bz). Meanwhile, at about the same time, UVA held FSU without a field goal for the final 9 minutes of the game! That's why UVA is #1. We don't have to be that strong on defense (though it would be great), but we need to be able to stop teams at times, and we're just not able to do it.
 
Deac83 said:
And it was actually down to 3, but we had to foul and the guy made one of two. It was a long shot at that point but even if we get a two in that case, the pressure is really on the Canes to make two FT's next time down.
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Of course we technically had a chance after Crawford scored 11 points in 2 minutes. All I'm saying is that even given that heroic effort, we were still a possession and a half behind. Making it all the more unlikely that we were going to complete it was the fact that we weren't doing anything differently. Crawford was still taking the same questionable shots he had been taking, they just happened to be going in. It was nice, but I would rather have seen our "comeback" involve a different strategy other than what we have been losing with all season.
 
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Demonwolverine said:
Of course we had a chance after Crawford scored 11 points in 2 minutes. All I'm saying is that even given that heroic effort, we were still a possession and a half behind. Making it all the more unlikely that we were going to complete it was the fact that we weren't doing anything differently. Crawford was still taking the same questionable shots he had been taking, they just happened to be going in. It was nice, but I would rather have seen our "comeback" involve a different strategy rather than what we have been losing with all season.
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We only got in come-from-behind mode because at the 7 minute mark, HotDog got his pocket picked for a score and then forced a bad shot and then got a technical. Until then, we were swapping leads.
 
Rafi said:
It starts with having a scheme. If you don't have one, you obviously can't recruit for one.

Our problem is clear - we are very bad on defense. We have no defensive identity - we don't try to pressure the ball handler/guards to create TOs, we don't pack in the defense to improve rebounding and defense against short range shots, we don't play majority zone, etc. There are many defensive options to chose from, and they are usually chosen as part of an overall plan (including offensive strategy), but we don't seem to have any defensive direction besides, "cover your man." During the key stretch of the second half last night, as we were going from even to down 13, we made no defensive stops. Miami scored on possession after possession, and that's not new for Wake under Manning (or Bz). Meanwhile, at about the same time, UVA held FSU without a field goal for the final 9 minutes of the game! That's why UVA is #1. We don't have to be that strong on defense (though it would be great), but we need to be able to stop teams at times, and we're just not able to do it.
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I've been saying this for a while now

even last year, when we got into the Tuesday night NCAA tournament, we entered the tournament as the worst defensive team among all at-large teams, by a wide margin

generally when a team makes the NCAAT as an at-large team, they can claim that they had a chance to make a run

we had no chance to make a run thanks to the defense we played
 
We have no on floor leadership except for the occasional times Childress tries to fill the role. This in large part emanates from what appears to be a lack of active, visible, engaged leadership from the bench (ie., Manning).

Crawford simply has no leadership skills despite almost 3 years of high level game experience, as evidenced by the bonehead playground technical swipe at the ball after his layup. I would have sat his ass and ripped him a new one for sacrificing the team over a perceived personal affront over a lack of call after we had managed to actually take the lead for the first time in forever.

Randolph would have never put up with these repetitive end of game lapses with repetitive poor decision making, terrible ball handling, and hero shots while he was playing. It has to be driving him crazy sitting silent watching Manning give end-of-game directions by smoke signals to any of the players who may possibly be paying some attention at any given time.
 
Deac1244 said:
We only got in come-from-behind mode because at the 7 minute mark, HotDog got his pocket picked for a score and then forced a bad shot and then got a technical. Until then, we were swapping leads.
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the technical came when Crawford poked the ball away from a Miami player attempting to inbound the ball, negating Crawford's fine steal and conversion
 
thatguy2016 said:
the technical came when Crawford poked the ball away from a Miami player attempting to inbound the ball, negating Crawford's fine steal and conversion
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Doesn't much matter. We see this same scenario play out almost every game. HotDog is our leading scorer but I would say that his t/o's and bad shots make all his points a net zero or worse. He is also our leading t/o maker by a WIDE margin, almost 2 to 1 for any other player. I just can't understand why that type of play is rewarded with 35+ minutes/game of playing time. But I guess when you don't run an offense or play defense, it doesn't much matter.
 
Rafi said:
It starts with having a scheme. If you don't have one, you obviously can't recruit for one.

Our problem is clear - we are very bad on defense. We have no defensive identity - we don't try to pressure the ball handler/guards to create TOs, we don't pack in the defense to improve rebounding and defense against short range shots, we don't play majority zone, etc. There are many defensive options to chose from, and they are usually chosen as part of an overall plan (including offensive strategy), but we don't seem to have any defensive direction besides, "cover your man." During the key stretch of the second half last night, as we were going from even to down 13, we made no defensive stops. Miami scored on possession after possession, and that's not new for Wake under Manning (or Bz). Meanwhile, at about the same time, UVA held FSU without a field goal for the final 9 minutes of the game! That's why UVA is #1. We don't have to be that strong on defense (though it would be great), but we need to be able to stop teams at times, and we're just not able to do it.
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Defense is problematic, but we have been worse on offense in ACC play than we have on defense relative to the rest of the ACC.

That's astoundingly and alarmingly sad.
 
PhDeac said:
I agree with all this except the one guy who can hit big shots is the one guy who made stupid mistakes.
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Lots to bitch about but makes no sense for sportsnut to complain about the fouls as we fouled them 9 times intentionally in the last 2 mins to end up with 26 fouls. They had 15.
 
bcobbdeacs said:
Think Chaudee can be a great player, need to go up stronger on layups and put backs, seems to always be below the rim and consequently gets blocked a lot. He will get this in the next year. Travis McKie was the same as a freshman.
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Early in the year he was settling for early 3s but in the last stretch, he is playing to his strengths(literally) and taking it to the hole much more. Plus he is a 90% ft shooter but has to get there to help us more.
 
mebanedeac said:
I have no idea how you fix this. Crawford is our most talented player. He is also our most erratic and unpredictable player. IMO, Woods is our best shooter, but far from our best defender and ball-handler. Chill occupies the ball too much (way too much) but is a decent one-on-one defender and plays hard. Brown has talent and needs to play more, but gets lost at times. Sarr and Mitchell have size and talent, but do not look comfortable on the floor and make really poor decisions at times. So, we have players but we are also deficient in terms of size on the perimeter and experience on the part of our best athletes and self-control on the part of our most talented and our hardest working players.

This is what makes UVA so remarkable. They have the right players at the right positions and every player is programed to make the right moves on both offense and defense. They don't have the most talented or athletic players in the conference; but they have the right players for their scheme...players who do just what they need for them to do in order to be successful. That is masterful coaching, both recruiting and training. It is also quite amazing in the ACC.
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4 of their key players are red shirts including Hall and Hunter. Amazing in this day and age.
 
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