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What if we’d hired Beilein instead of Skip in 2001?

DeacinBama said:
This is the correct answer. Anyone thinking of an alternative reality where Wake loses in the championship game in 2013 or makes the Elite Eight in 2018 is doing it wrong. Instead, Beilein has been dead for ten years and all of his children are stricken with super gonorrhea.
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Yes. Yesssssss.
 
RJKarl said:
Says the only person out of 7 Billion that Skip didn't like.
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Whatever you say RJ. Still doesn't mean Skip could coach worth a squat! Nice guy, could quote Chaucer better than any basketball coach in America. Still couldn't coach defense, still didn't teach helpside defense and still didn't teach his guys to cut off the baseline. Still, like a dumbass, let Jamal Levy shoot the 2 technical FT's in the first half against WVa when we lost to John Beilein who outcoached Skip the entire 2nd half. And, like in a fog, late in that game called a play for Big E who wasn't even in the game. Chris Ellis tapped Skip on the shoulder to tell Coach that Big E was standing outside in the huddle, not on the bench! Just couldn't game coach. Couldn't win the big game. But man he could quote Shakespeare.
 
Deacfreak07 said:
“Tournament coach” is such a stupid distinction. Tony Bennett must not be a “tournament coach”.
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I will take his stupid distinction of 2 time ACC champ coach! Not a bad tourney coach & also got them to an Elite 8 in 2016. I believe Tony is doing just fine.
 
TheReff said:
I will take his stupid distinction of 2 time ACC champ coach! Not a bad tourney coach & also got them to an Elite 8 in 2016. I believe Tony is doing just fine.
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worst record vs 16 seeds of all-time. Loved him on the old Charlotte Hornets though.
 
TheReff said:
Whatever you say RJ. Still doesn't mean Skip could coach worth a squat! Nice guy, could quote Chaucer better than any basketball coach in America. Still couldn't coach defense, still didn't teach helpside defense and still didn't teach his guys to cut off the baseline. Still, like a dumbass, let Jamal Levy shoot the 2 technical FT's in the first half against WVa when we lost to John Beilein who outcoached Skip the entire 2nd half. And, like in a fog, late in that game called a play for Big E who wasn't even in the game. Chris Ellis tapped Skip on the shoulder to tell Coach that Big E was standing outside in the huddle, not on the bench! Just couldn't game coach. Couldn't win the big game. But man he could quote Shakespeare.
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that WVU game was not Skip's finest hour by any means, but this is just a gross overstatement. Its like saying, and I'm just spitballing here, think of the insurance salesman who had day at the office where he couldn't sell that extra life insurance to that young couple, well your entire career sucks because of it.
 
TheReff said:
Skip was never a good tournament coach and never coached defense. Sorry. He was also on his way out most probably as he finished in dead last 12th place in 2006 & tied for 11th in 2007. He won originally with Odom's players & recruits and made some hay with 1 great local ballplayer--CP3.
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I think the last few years have definitively proven that it doesn't matter how how bad a conference record a Wake coach has. Skip wasn't on his way out.
 
Mods, we can go and lock this thread. Asked and answered. We would have buried Beilein 13 years ago after he’d drown in a hot tub or been run over by a dump truck.
 
PhDeac said:
Sure. Randolph Childress and Tim Duncan were tournament players. The Duncan fellow won a few tournaments.
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Tim Duncan is one of the best basketball players in the history of the game, and he never made a Final Four. This is silly. The NCAA tournament is an insanely high variable endeavor. Good coaches eventually get wins.
 
What if Lew Alcindor had chosen Wake over UCLA?

What if Wake hadn't voted against allowing Artis Gilmore being accepted?
 
Deacfreak07 said:
Tim Duncan is one of the best basketball players in the history of the game, and he never made a Final Four. This is silly. The NCAA tournament is an insanely high variable endeavor. Good coaches eventually get wins.
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Unless they coach at Wake Forest.
 
TheReff said:
Whatever you say RJ. Still doesn't mean Skip could coach worth a squat! Nice guy, could quote Chaucer better than any basketball coach in America. Still couldn't coach defense, still didn't teach helpside defense and still didn't teach his guys to cut off the baseline. Still, like a dumbass, let Jamal Levy shoot the 2 technical FT's in the first half against WVa when we lost to John Beilein who outcoached Skip the entire 2nd half. And, like in a fog, late in that game called a play for Big E who wasn't even in the game. Chris Ellis tapped Skip on the shoulder to tell Coach that Big E was standing outside in the huddle, not on the bench! Just couldn't game coach. Couldn't win the big game. But man he could quote Shakespeare.
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Couldn't game coach, yet was 55-1 when leading with 5 minutes to go.
 
LilburnDeac said:
I think the last few years have definitively proven that it doesn't matter how how bad a conference record a Wake coach has. Skip wasn't on his way out.
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Probably right there I guess, especially when the hiring person has the ultimate say so. Otherwise Caldwell would have been gone after 5 or 6 years, Rem gone after about 4 or 5 and [Redacted] after 2. And for that matter, Odom & Greer would not have been fired because their records didn’t warrant it at all! So go figure. But suffice it to say that Odom never finished below 5th after his. initial season and Wellman was always wanting to fire him, going so far as to not even offer a contract extension after the first ACC title. Greer, who had over 600 wins, was on his way out in 1998, but won a title. Contract had to come! Won 3 out of 4. Then had a few pitching injuries the next season & Wellman’s comment to George was “you should have planned better”. Wonder if he would have said that to Coach Manning this season with our record after Collins left & Dinos both left early? Should have planned for it better... yea.
 
RJKarl said:
Couldn't game coach, yet was 55-1 when leading with 5 minutes to go.
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Won an A-10 title at X and only got to the 2nd round of the NCAA twice, also losing in the first round 3 times. While at Wake, did well with Odom’s players, getting to the 2nd round three times & Seeet 16, then progressed downhill fast with his own players—dead ass last in the ACC with a 3-13 record but somehow getting into the NIT, then a losing record & tie for next to last in the ACC.

Oh yea.....game coach...hahahahahaha. But he could quote Plutarch & Virgil.
 
We were blessed to have Skip Prosser at Wake Forest.
 
TheReff said:
Won an A-10 title at X and only got to the 2nd round of the NCAA twice, also losing in the first round 3 times. While at Wake, did well with Odom’s players, getting to the 2nd round three times & Seeet 16, then progressed downhill fast with his own players—dead ass last in the ACC with a 3-13 record but somehow getting into the NIT, then a losing record & tie for next to last in the ACC.

Oh yea.....game coach...hahahahahaha. But he could quote Plutarch & Virgil.
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Then his players reached #1 ranking after his death...Only coach in Wake history to reach #1...
 
Deacfreak07 said:
So did Dave Odom. Doesn’t make him a tournament coach. Good coaches eventually win in tournaments.
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Probably, but I will say that Beilein's ability year after year to have his team in the top 5 of fewest offensive turnovers I think is a huge help in March. These games are so tight that any advantage you can get is pretty large, and giving yourself the maximum number of possessions/preventing easy baskets for your opponents pays off big style
 
RJKarl said:
Then his players reached #1 ranking after his death...Only coach in Wake history to reach #1...
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Dino's players. He signed them. Prosser's last class was AT&T. They certainly did well, huh!
 
TheReff said:
Dino's players. He signed them. Prosser's last class was AT&T. They certainly did well, huh!
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:squint: you know you are giving credit to Prosser for recruiting all the key players on that #1 team, right?
 
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