deacvision7
Mod Emeritus
dumb political move
I get the feeling that this entire Keystone Pipeline thing is mostly an attempted Republican payoff to the Koch Brothers. You didn't think the Koch Brothers were dumping all that money into GOP campaigns without expecting a good ROI, did you?
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/02/10/idUS292515702420110210
LOL. Now that the "it will increase global warming", "it's more dangerous than trains/trucks" and "without the pipeline the oil won't be harvested" arguments have failed, the Kock brothers do seem to be the latest boogie man since the veto on FB this morning. It's almost as if that's something fed from the admin after the veto. Surely they wouldn't do something like that?
You see no problem with two men spending more than the Republican and Democratic National Conventions combined in the 2016 elections?
I get the feeling that this entire Keystone Pipeline thing is mostly an attempted Republican payoff to the Koch Brothers. You didn't think the Koch Brothers were dumping all that money into GOP campaigns without expecting a good ROI, did you?
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/02/10/idUS292515702420110210
Couldn't the same be said of any PAC or lobbyist that uses money to influence policy?
Couldn't the same be said of any PAC or lobbyist that uses money to influence policy?
It's not as if the benefits of not building the pipeline to guys like Soros and Buffet weren't documented back in 2012 when this argument began. But it's fun to watch people root for their favorite extremely influential billionaires as they fight the good fight against the extremely evil spawn of satan billionares they oppose.
LOL. Now that the "it will increase global warming", "it's more dangerous than trains/trucks" and "without the pipeline the oil won't be harvested" arguments have failed, the Koch brothers do seem to be the latest boogie man since the veto on FB this morning. It's almost as if that's something fed from the admin after the veto. Surely they wouldn't do something like that?
Purely on the balance sheet, it's not a very apt comparison. In terms of philanthropy, Buffet and Steyer are both part of the Gates initiative to give away half your wealth, and have given away billions. They've also only contributed somewhere in the tens of millions range towards political activities. The Koch brothers combined have (quite generously) spent around $600MM on charity and literally billions on influence peddling.
I know it's tempting to just say that people who would even render a comparison are all "pubs bad dems good" but y'all brought it up.
Soros is another story, likely. A good boogeyman if we need to play partisan.
Couldn't the same be said of any PAC or lobbyist that uses money to influence policy?
That would be pretty amazing if the admin leaked info four years ago in anticipation of this veto.
I know it's tempting to just say that people who would even render a comparison are all "pubs bad dems good" but y'all brought it up.
Soros is another story, likely. A good boogeyman if we need to play partisan.
Are you trying to take my Miss Independent title from me?
oh please, you're no more moderate than rj
The trouble with the project then is that it has become a political weapon. Unlike bigger topics such as immigration reform, or battling the Islamic State, this one is relatively uncomplicated and the dividing lines are clear. Republicans can thus use it to whack the president for his supposed failure to create jobs, without upsetting anybody or showing up the fractures in their loose coalition. For Mr Obama, it is a chance to appease environmentalists in his base. And so the debate will go on. The best hope for the rest of us is that the fall in oil prices makes extracting Canadian oil unprofitable and the whole thing goes away.